Seasons a QB has had 30+ pass TD & 5 or fewer INTs through first 12 games
W-L
2024: Joe Burrow 4-8
2020: Aaron Rodgers 9-3
2020: Patrick Mahomes 11-1
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It’s enough to make you sick.

(12-02-2024, 02:32 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Honest question...............How does anyone know that Katie and the rest of the curse won't be just as bad or worse than MB?  They learned from him.  He raised her.  Taught her everything she knows.

Nothing matters to these people.  It's crazy.

Bad publicity?  Nope.
Humiliation?  Nope
Star players calling them out?  Nope.
Being the worst and biggest laughing stock in all of NFL history?  Nope, they don't care.

I mean, I HOPE when MB is gone things change for the better, but hope is not a plan and I am certainly not holding my breath.

The Bengals have finally Bungalized me this season.  I still watch the games.  I still hope they win.  But I have no excitement anymore.  Those effing Brown family pieces of !@#$ finally and truly killed my spirit.  The letdown was just too big to overcome.

I rememeber telling all  my friends in 22' that is was soooooo nice to finally have a good team for what looked like many years to come.   Something I have never experienced.  It lasted 2 years.  Then shit last year and now worse shit this year.

Screw the Brown famliy.

That's the funny thing. When we started winning and went to the SB...Katie and Troy and Tobin got the praise. Now, people are saying MB is running things.

No one knows really!!!

(12-02-2024, 01:38 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: We'll just have to see if this changes their mindset about how they regard the IOL and middle of the defense positions.

I agree that at least one coordinator needs to go, Anarumo for sure. I'm willing to give Pitcher a pass as the passing game has been strong all year. The changes needed on offense have more to do with a change in mindset from Zac Taylor than anything. He has to respect the power of using a rushing attack and the value of having tough people movers on the inside of the OL. A change in OL coach would provide great cover for Taylor to change his philosophy without having to blatantly admit that he's been wrong.

Great post Sunset. This is what I am hoping, Pollack is the perfect guy to replace to help Zac and Pitcher. If we have a run game and stick 
to it this Offense could be unstoppable. Having a smaller back in Chase Brown who sometimes goes down easy has also been great cover 
for Zac, but Herbert just had a nice run on the stealers yesterday too and is a bigger back. If we can get a new OL coach in here with some
new Guards and Zac actually commits some to the run game great things could be ahead.

(12-02-2024, 03:47 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Great post Sunset. This is what I am hoping, Pollack is the perfect guy to replace to help Zac and Pitcher. If we have a run game and stick 
to it this Offense could be unstoppable. Having a smaller back in Chase Brown who sometimes goes down easy has also been great cover 
for Zac, but Herbert just had a nice run on the stealers yesterday too and is a bigger back. If we can get a new OL coach in here with some
new Guards and Zac actually commits some to the run game great things could be ahead.

What they'll do is replace Pollack with someone worst from their past, then we'll be like...man did we have it good with Pollack here. And we'll bring him back.

Lets make a list of candidates to replace Pollack. Who was the Dolphins line coach when Zac was OC there for that handful of games?

Oh wait...I think that guy was already our line coach once.

(12-02-2024, 03:50 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: What they'll do is replace Pollack with someone worst from their past, then we'll be like...man did we have it good with Pollack here. And we'll bring him back.

Lets make a list of candidates to replace Pollack. Who was the Dolphins line coach when Zac was OC there for that handful of games?

Oh wait...I think that guy was already our line coach once.

Turner, yep and we fired him for Pollack. Both are bad.

Wasn't Turner the one that the other coaches installed a new blocking scheme over the Bye week?

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/11/14/20962159/bengals-weekly-lineman-the-transition-to-a-gap-style-blocking-scheme

(12-02-2024, 03:23 PM)Sled21 Wrote: We used to play chicken with them and see who could stand closest to the ring when the Jart was thrown

The fact that you are still alive makes me think you must be a chicken of some sort.

(12-02-2024, 11:09 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/joe-burrow-just-put-the-bengals-on-notice-after-latest-loss/ar-AA1v7aIL?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Reading this kinda got me wondering. How much influence will Joe have on next seasons roster? Coaching changes? Who the OC is? Even players on defense? Just on and on. It's something for him to state in public we'll see who needs to stay and who doesn't.

This team obviously needs a reboot on defense but the offense needs much change as well IMHO. Yes I know near the top on offensive stats. But I still believe it's a bit of a mirage because Joe Burrow and Chase are the ultimate mascara.

In other words we can be way more efficient with some changes.

I love that 'massive change is inevitable' comment in that article. Obviously written by someone not familiar with the Bengals. 

(12-02-2024, 03:47 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Seasons a QB has had 30+ pass TD & 5 or fewer INTs through first 12 games
W-L
2024: Joe Burrow 4-8
2020: Aaron Rodgers 9-3
2020: Patrick Mahomes 11-1
2018: Drew… pic.twitter.com/sPmts6Z7gp

— NFL on CBS ? (@NFLonCBS) December 2, 2024

It’s enough to make you sick.

Yes 



And pisses me off

(12-02-2024, 04:35 PM)R3stangs Wrote: I love that 'massive change is inevitable' comment in that article. Obviously written by someone not familiar with the Bengals. 

We shall see.  I mean, I'd rather Burrow not pull a Palmer though, because I don't see MB budging on this just because one additional person, good at football as he may be, tells him for the one millionth time over the span of 34 years that having a real GM and/or doing real GM stuff would make us seem more like a normal franchise.

(12-02-2024, 02:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: At least I think Joe has a ton of say, way more than Carson did. I think we will see changes, the Defensives staff should all be let go. Pollack 
should be let go as his young players have not improved at all and Cappa, Jonah and even Karras have regressed. Orlando wasn't good last 
year but he is better this year and I think that is more because of him than coaching. Mims is very talented and polished for a rookie.

Influence may be a better word but I agree. I mean I don't think Joe is going to go into a Front Office post season meeting and pound on the table demanding a new whatever? I don't think the Brown family will just say "Joe, you're running the show, what do you want?"

But I do feel they will listen to what Joe has to say (he's that kinda guy) and probably will act on some of it. And I can see JB, behind closed doors, having a big influence. 

Joe's not gonna come out in public and say the interior Olinemen suck, the defense is putridly awful, Stone is a joke at S, we have no DT's, and on and on.

But I feel when he talks, people listen. 

(12-02-2024, 04:51 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Influence may be a better word but I agree. I mean I don't think Joe is going to go into a Front Office post season meeting and pound on the table demanding a new whatever? I don't think the Brown family will just say "Joe, you're running the show, what do you want?"

But I do feel they will listen to what Joe has to say (he's that kinda guy) and probably will act on some of it. And I can see JB, behind closed doors, having a big influence. 

Joe's not gonna come out in public and say the interior Olinemen suck, the defense is putridly awful, Stone is a joke at S, we have no DT's, and on and on.

But I feel when he talks, people listen. 

Mike Brown knows he doesn't run this franchise like a normal NFL franchise is run, so I'm not sure Burrow telling him stuff is going to make a difference.  It isn't like Burrow is going to go in there and educate Mike Brown on how to run a team and he's going to say "Woah, I never thought of that...I'll do that right now!"

MB knows what he isn't doing, the only chip any player, Burrow or otherwise, has is to threaten him or give him an ultimatum and you can't do that if you are bluffing.  Unless Burrow is willing to pull a Palmer, I don't see how Burrow trying to strong arm the boss is going to be any different this time.

Or maybe it will be and Mike Brown will admit that Sam Wyche, Boomer Esiason, Corey Dillion, Carson Palmer and so on and so forth just weren't good enough at football to change his style for but Burrow is.

(12-02-2024, 03:47 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: That's the funny thing. When we started winning and went to the SB...Katie and Troy and Tobin got the praise. Now, people are saying MB is running things.

No one knows really!!!

That's a fact. 

(12-02-2024, 04:01 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Wasn't Turner the one that the other coaches installed a new blocking scheme over the Bye week?

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/11/14/20962159/bengals-weekly-lineman-the-transition-to-a-gap-style-blocking-scheme

That's nothing new ....Bill Lazor had to tell Piano Man to sit down and shut up too. This shit has been going on for decades.

(12-02-2024, 05:02 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Mike Brown knows he doesn't run this franchise like a normal NFL franchise is run, so I'm not sure Burrow telling him stuff is going to make a difference.  It isn't like Burrow is going to go in there and educate Mike Brown on how to run a team and he's going to say "Woah, I never thought of that...I'll do that right now!"

MB knows what he isn't doing, the only chip any player, Burrow or otherwise, has is to threaten him or give him an ultimatum and you can't do that if you are bluffing.  Unless Burrow is willing to pull a Palmer, I don't see how Burrow trying to strong arm the boss is going to be any different this time.

Or maybe it will be and Mike Brown will admit that Sam Wyche, Boomer Esiason, Corey Dillion, Carson Palmer and so on and so forth just weren't good enough at football to change his style for but Burrow is.

Viva la Pickens Clause!

How exactly did Burrow put the team on notice? Sounded like typical game loss player speak to me. He has to be careful what he says and won't really say what is on his mind. He is smart enough not to burn bridges down just yet. He, Chase and Higgins should be planning their escape route out of Cincy if they ever want to see a SB again.

Nothing will change from the way the Browns/Blackburns run this team. They simply don't put winning SB's as top priority. It is easy to see. Look at all the head coaches, coaching staffs, players that have worked here and all failed to win a SB for whatever reason and the only fact that remained the same is this front office and their way of doing things which simply does not work. Hard to believe they have ruined a fairly solid team from 2-3 years ago to what is on the field now but they have done it. Stubborn front office refusing to adapt, terrible draft choices, below average coaches, unable to develop rookies, a head coach trying to do too much and his refusal to develop a run game and being far too predictable, letting top quality players walk, it all adds up to failure.

At times it looks like opposing D's know our offensive scheme better than our own players do.

(12-02-2024, 04:51 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Influence may be a better word but I agree. I mean I don't think Joe is going to go into a Front Office post season meeting and pound on the table demanding a new whatever? I don't think the Brown family will just say "Joe, you're running the show, what do you want?"

But I do feel they will listen to what Joe has to say (he's that kinda guy) and probably will act on some of it. And I can see JB, behind closed doors, having a big influence. 

Joe's not gonna come out in public and say the interior Olinemen suck, the defense is putridly awful, Stone is a joke at S, we have no DT's, and on and on.

But I feel when he talks, people listen. 

As usual you are spot on. Influence is a much better word. Burrow is too classy to call out individuals or demand anything.

I have seen enough over the last 4 or 5 years to see it is different around here with the FO with the Blackburns and the youth instead of 
just the old man that they will try and make Joe happy and try and put the best team on the field possible with what they have to work 
with. Sucks when we lost Bates and Reader to only replace them with a one year wonder that cannot tackle and Rankins who doesn't 
even play the same position as Reader.

It is unfair to criticize both Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson as rookies, even Reader was a nobody as a rookie. I have seen good things
from Kris, he could be a good 3-tech down the road if he can develop some more moves and gain some more strength. Mims is probably 
the best rookie OL I have seen us draft in the last 10 years or so. There are some good developmental blocks for the new coaches to work
with and both Rankins and Stone's money should be freed up along with many others. Not a complete rebuild, but change should happen 
for the better and they should ask Burrow's opinion on it.

(12-02-2024, 05:27 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: That's nothing new ....Bill Lazor had to tell Piano Man to sit down and shut up too. This shit has been going on for decades.

But the irony there is Alexander was actually a very good coach for a long time. Lazor was pretty much a disaster of an OC everywhere he went.

(12-02-2024, 05:35 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: But the irony there is Alexander was actually a very good coach for a long time. Lazor was pretty much a disaster of an OC everywhere he went.

Yep, it was at a point where PA had gotten passed by and was being stubborn about it. IIRC, Mixon wound up doing a helluva lot better after the change. For a guy like Lazor to see that and make the change was pretty damning.

(12-02-2024, 05:02 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Mike Brown knows he doesn't run this franchise like a normal NFL franchise is run, so I'm not sure Burrow telling him stuff is going to make a difference.  It isn't like Burrow is going to go in there and educate Mike Brown on how to run a team and he's going to say "Woah, I never thought of that...I'll do that right now!"

MB knows what he isn't doing, the only chip any player, Burrow or otherwise, has is to threaten him or give him an ultimatum and you can't do that if you are bluffing.  Unless Burrow is willing to pull a Palmer, I don't see how Burrow trying to strong arm the boss is going to be any different this time.

Or maybe it will be and Mike Brown will admit that Sam Wyche, Boomer Esiason, Corey Dillion, Carson Palmer and so on and so forth just weren't good enough at football to change his style for but Burrow is.

We would of never had the Free Agency of Hendrickson, Reader, Awuzie, Ogunjobi, Hilton, Waynes (injured but top FA signing at the time) if it is 
the same old Mikey Boy running it like he always has. I tend to think it is a bit in between and the entire family, Duke and Zac are running things 
now with Mikey Boy having input to make him feel like he is running it.

We will see with how much change does happen, but some change on the Defensive side of the ball WILL happen. Lou fired at the very least.