(01-07-2025, 08:19 PM)chopperbobby Wrote: Zac don’t like the run game he is not committed to improving it. 2 years now we can’t even get a yard when needed.  Or run out the clock.  Are run game is wide receiver screens.  It’s quite easy to tell when the bengals are running sample goes in and Joe goes under center.

He probably doesn't like it because he's working with the two worst guards in the entire league. I mean, they even tried Ford at guard. We can't get those crucial short yards because we get killed up the gut. Football 101....you gotta win the point of attack. 

The Bengals 1st round Defensive Picks for the last 15 years have been close to historically awful.

Myles Murphy - his stat line this year is depressing
Dax Hill - Dont need to explain this one
William Jackson - the Best since Hall
Darquez Dennard - Total Waste
Dre Kirkpatrick - Mediocre at his best
Keith Rivers - Total Waste

(01-05-2025, 10:03 PM)Boomer Anderson Wrote: https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/sources-bengals-expected-to-make-changes-to-coaching-staff-after-missing-playoffs-01jgwfv507fn


We can always hope I guess

You can pull these coaches fired on Bengals.com story..    Coach Zac Taylor says HE fired these coaches and it was a tough decision.  

In the story, it does say that the Bengals Defense the last 2 years has been one of the worst in NFL.  That the D Line except for Hendrickson has been one of the worst in NFL.  That the Linebackers have been some of the worst in NFL.   That even though Joe Burrow is putting up points, the Bengals Defense lost too many games even though Burrow put up points.  

The Offensive Line was one of the worst in NFL, and Burrow gets hit more than any other QB even though Burrow has a quick release time.  

All these coaches were not doing their jobs.  Coach Taylor says he hated to Fire them,  and it was a tough choice.  

Considering how awful The Defense, The D Line. The Linebackers and The O Line ranked in the NFL the last 2 seasons.  Yes, They Had To Be Fired.  

Coach Taylor says HE Fired Them, and he hated to do it, but it was Time.   He will try to Hire coaches to come in here and help Joe Burrow and Company Win more games.  Neither the Defense or The O Line helped Joe Burrow much the last 2 seasons, and that is the problem.  

I know who I would like to see as O Line Coach, if he wants the job.  He played Guard and Tackle for Bengals and Won a Super Bowl.  Andrew Whitworth might make a great O Line Coach, he certainly has Leadership, we saw that many years.  In fact, Whitworth could make a good Head Coach for a team once he gets coaching experience. Whitworth has a Lombardi or John Madden Offensive Line Leadership quality.  I saw that when Ocho was yelling at Palmer, and Whitworth told him to shut up and line up for the next play.  The Rams getting Whitworth was a big reason they won Super Bowl.  Because Whitworth played both Guard and Tackle, I think that would help him be a great O Line Coach. 

A possible Defensive Coordinator.  Robert Saleh.  He was a good D Coordinator for 49ers and as head coach of Jets he had a tough D, but his offense stunk.  The man knows Defense though.  If the Bengals had him to run the 49ers Defense, that could work.   And Whitworth making sure Burrow has Blocking.  Those probably won't happen, but New Coaches for 2025 are coming.  

New Years,  Out With The Old, In With The New.

GO BENGALS

Am fine with the move but not positive it is Lou's fault 100%. Am fine as well with Zac being HC, just wish he would take the beginning of the season more seriously, yet am thankful for how he has helped change the culture. Love Zac as HC but not as big of fan of his OC work.

Yet to be fair Lou has been stripped of his best players annually. Not sure how Zac would fair as OC if the same were done on that side of the ball.

All that being said, am fine with the coaching moves made per the tackling was atrocious and nothing got fixed until it was too late. Yet still on fence on Lou being good or not. He made some great halftime adjustments during SB run and pretty sure he wanted to keep Bates and others around but got trumped on the decision in favor of offensive firepower. Which I get but not sure Lou is to blame for that being done. Although he is probably in favor of releasing Tee and using money on D and that's not a real popular opinion these days as well.

Still excited to move forward, something had to be shaken up. Hate dreaming of next season while the playoffs are not even started but it's where we find ourselves once again.

The easy SB window has closed now and the Bengals must get much more creative after Chase and Higgins are signed this offseason. More favs will be cut.

What other favs do we have other than those 3, Chase Brown and Trey?

(01-07-2025, 08:19 PM)chopperbobby Wrote: Zac don’t like the run game he is not committed to improving it. 2 years now we can’t even get a yard when needed.  Or run out the clock.  Are run game is wide receiver screens.  It’s quite easy to tell when the bengals are running sample goes in and Joe goes under center.

Troy Aikman said Zac would rather lean on Joe. But he’d run it more if we were worth a flip.

(01-07-2025, 03:43 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: So it has nothing to do with coaching? I disagree, a good OL coach like the Lions has in Fraley can coach up his players.

They don't just come into the league great even if Sewell and Ragnow were very polished, this isn't reality.

A good coach has to work with what he has. I don't like Duke and his terrible picks either, but coaching has been part of the problem.

To act like it isn't is foolish.

dude...if Pollack had that offensive line,,he would have been given a 5 year extension ..not get fired..not one Bengals player would be starting on Detroit's line and that includes Mims and Brown..our OL  looks like an eighth grade  highschool line compared to detroit..This was the first time I watched a Detroit game in its entirety..Ill take it even further..Detroits offensive line looks like a group of battleships plowing through some 40 ft long luxury yachts..Our line looks like a bunch of old arthritic senior citizens with multiple injuries

(Yesterday, 11:07 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: dude...if Pollack had that offensive line,,he would have been given a 5 year extension ..not get fired..not one Bengals player would be starting on Detroit's line and that includes Mims and Brown..our OL  looks like an eighth grade  highschool line compared to detroit

Is that from a talent level or from coaching?????????????? I agree Ragnow and Sewell are very good but how much is raw talent and how much is coaching? im for the belief a good coach finds what works best for his players and builds off that. Not a system guy who doesnt change or adapt

(Yesterday, 05:29 AM)kevin Wrote: You can pull these coaches fired on Bengals.com story..    Coach Zac Taylor says HE fired these coaches and it was a tough decision.  

In the story, it does say that the Bengals Defense the last 2 years has been one of the worst in NFL.  That the D Line except for Hendrickson has been one of the worst in NFL.  That the Linebackers have been some of the worst in NFL.   That even though Joe Burrow is putting up points, the Bengals Defense lost too many games even though Burrow put up points.  

The Offensive Line was one of the worst in NFL, and Burrow gets hit more than any other QB even though Burrow has a quick release time.  

All these coaches were not doing their jobs.  Coach Taylor says he hated to Fire them,  and it was a tough choice.  

Considering how awful The Defense, The D Line. The Linebackers and The O Line ranked in the NFL the last 2 seasons.  Yes, They Had To Be Fired.  

Coach Taylor says HE Fired Them, and he hated to do it, but it was Time.   He will try to Hire coaches to come in here and help Joe Burrow and Company Win more games.  Neither the Defense or The O Line helped Joe Burrow much the last 2 seasons, and that is the problem.  

I know who I would like to see as O Line Coach, if he wants the job.  He played Guard and Tackle for Bengals and Won a Super Bowl.  Andrew Whitworth might make a great O Line Coach, he certainly has Leadership, we saw that many years.  In fact, Whitworth could make a good Head Coach for a team once he gets coaching experience. Whitworth has a Lombardi or John Madden Offensive Line Leadership quality.  I saw that when Ocho was yelling at Palmer, and Whitworth told him to shut up and line up for the next play.  The Rams getting Whitworth was a big reason they won Super Bowl.  Because Whitworth played both Guard and Tackle, I think that would help him be a great O Line Coach. 

A possible Defensive Coordinator.  Robert Saleh.  He was a good D Coordinator for 49ers and as head coach of Jets he had a tough D, but his offense stunk.  The man knows Defense though.  If the Bengals had him to run the 49ers Defense, that could work.   And Whitworth making sure Burrow has Blocking.  Those probably won't happen, but New Coaches for 2025 are coming.  

New Years,  Out With The Old, In With The New.

GO BENGALS

There's nothing to point to Whitworth being a good coach of any kind. Playing and coaching are two completely different things, and I have never read of Whit coaching anywhere at any level. At least Big Willie has been running his private coaching academy for years. But I suspect neither of them want to invest the amount of time it takes to coach full time in the NFL or they would be doing it.

(Yesterday, 11:16 AM)uticabengalfan Wrote: Is that from a talent level or from coaching?????????????? I agree Ragnow and Sewell are very good but how much is raw talent and how much is coaching? im for the belief a good coach finds what works best for his players and builds off that. Not a system guy who doesnt change or adapt

you and I could coach that line..the offensive line is not that complex..we are not strong..we are not athletic..We needed to clean house ..start fresh and make some changes..nothing wriong with that..But if Pollack was coaching the Detroit offensive line he would be very sucessful

(01-07-2025, 03:43 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: So it has nothing to do with coaching? I disagree, a good OL coach like the Lions has in Fraley can coach up his players.

They don't just come into the league great even if Sewell and Ragnow were very polished, this isn't reality.

A good coach has to work with what he has. I don't like Duke and his terrible picks either, but coaching has been part of the problem.

To act like it isn't is foolish.

pollack cant do anything if the players don't have the skills, strength and athleticism..and our offensive line lacks all of the aforementioned..Take away Burrow..it would be even worse.I feel that they are going to make some definitive changes on the defense and offensive line..New voices were needed..it was the right call to let Pollack and Lou go

(Yesterday, 11:22 AM)Sled21 Wrote: There's nothing to point to Whitworth being a good coach of any kind. Playing and coaching are two completely different things, and I have never read of Whit coaching anywhere at any level. At least Big Willie has been running his private coaching academy for years. But I suspect neither of them want to invest the amount of time it takes to coach full time in the NFL or they would be doing it.

I dont get it either..this fascinatiion of players being good coaches..Look at Ne w England for example and their head coach

(Yesterday, 11:32 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: I dont get it either..this fascinatiion of players being good coaches..Look at Ne w England for example and their head coach

If you look back, it is normally players who were not that good as players who become the best coaches. Not saying great players can't be great coaches, but it does not automatically translate.

(Yesterday, 11:40 AM)Sled21 Wrote: If you look back, it is normally players who were not that good as players who become the best coaches. Not saying great players can't be great coaches, but it does not automatically translate.

Most great players dont need to coach, so not many of them peruse the stress or headache. 

(Yesterday, 11:53 AM)c766 Wrote: Most great players dont need to coach, so not many of them peruse the stress or headache. 

whitworth has a great gig now

(Yesterday, 12:34 AM)c766 Wrote: The Bengals 1st round Defensive Picks for the last 15 years have been close to historically awful.

Myles Murphy - his stat line this year is depressing
Dax Hill - Dont need to explain this one
William Jackson - the Best since Hall
Darquez Dennard - Total Waste
Dre Kirkpatrick - Mediocre at his best
Keith Rivers - Total Waste

Murphy: Disappointing year for sure, but jury still out. Get a DL coach that can develop a second move.
Hill: He's been fine, was our best DB this year until he got hurt.
WJax: 2 good years, 2 awful ones and a loser human being as a result.
Dennard: Solid 3rd CB for 6 years. Too bad he couldn't be a starter, but was far from a liability.
Dre: Easily the most-underrated CB we've had since Leon. He undeservedly became a meme and was an excellent player for us for a long time. Sad how he was treated.
Rivers: Best LB we had for 4 years, Marv was stuck with him and didn't play him as a result, absolutely not his fault.

Underwhelming, not awful at all.

(Yesterday, 12:29 AM)Wyche Wrote: He probably doesn't like it because he's working with the two worst guards in the entire league. I mean, they even tried Ford at guard. We can't get those crucial short yards because we get killed up the gut. Football 101....you gotta win the point of attack. 

Then run some more QB sneak. I've seen few better QB's than JB getting those yards. They have to with the mindset that we have two downs to get two yards and DO NOT run horizontal and do not hand the ball off deep in the backfield. I've seen that way too much.Get your traction, get momentum going forward and let your average OL get vertical and lay bodies on a defense instead of a defender beating these slow SOB's and shooting into a gap for a 3 yard loss..

Having to rely on 4th and 2/4th and 1 all the time and throwing deep fades along the sideline even in bad weather is far too big of a risk/reward. Players get bumped at the LOS, they slip, etc.

I've also seen way too much that when do get the ground game going in a game and are finally getting some momentum that they give up on it too easily. Biggest example of that was the Raiders game and having a 3-4 TD lead with 11 minutes to go in the game. Cinci. just completed a 10 yard pass to their TE to put the ball at their own 35 and rather than miking the clock like any team in any league with even half a brain, they throw an ignorant screen 2-3 yards behind the LOS to Chase that gets picked for 6.

(Yesterday, 12:29 AM)Wyche Wrote: He probably doesn't like it because he's working with the two worst guards in the entire league. I mean, they even tried Ford at guard. We can't get those crucial short yards because we get killed up the gut. Football 101....you gotta win the point of attack. 

Nah, he just doesn't like it. Slinging the ball is just who he is....


In his 5 games as interim in Miami he had Ryan Tannehill slinging it 34 times a game. If you exclude the first game where he wasn't prepared and ready to be OC all week, the final 4 games he had him throwing the ball 38 times a game.

In his 1 year at Cincinnati he was throwing the ball 38 times per game (which is why that weird outlier when he was caught offguard is a noteworthy exclusion).

Andy Dalton in 2019 was asked to throw the ball almost 41 times per game.
Joe Burrow has thrown the ball in his career 37 times per game. 

Even Jake Browning was asked to throw the ball 33 times a game as a backup
Ryan Finley with the NOODLIEST of wet noodle arms that no sane person would ask to throw the ball 30+ times a game threw the ball 29 times per game in his 3 starts.


...it's not because of who the guards are, it's just Zac Taylor football.



- - - - - -
Without Joe Burrow: 14-33
With Joe Burrow: 38-20-1

(Yesterday, 12:09 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Murphy: Disappointing year for sure, but jury still out. Get a DL coach that can develop a second move.
Hill: He's been fine, was our best DB this year until he got hurt.
WJax: 2 good years, 2 awful ones and a loser human being as a result.
Dennard: Solid 3rd CB for 6 years. Too bad he couldn't be a starter, but was far from a liability.
Dre: Easily the most-underrated CB we've had since Leon. He undeservedly became a meme and was an excellent player for us for a long time. Sad how he was treated.
Rivers: Best LB we had for 4 years, Marv was stuck with him and didn't play him as a result, absolutely not his fault.

Underwhelming, not awful at all.

Well, most knowledgable and realistic fans would disagree with your opinions.  

Also, why is William Jackson 'a loser human being'?  You seem to have some anger issues. 

(Yesterday, 07:15 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Am fine with the move but not positive it is Lou's fault 100%. Am fine as well with Zac being HC, just wish he would take the beginning of the season more seriously, yet am thankful for how he has helped change the culture. Love Zac as HC but not as big of fan of his OC work.

Yet to be fair Lou has been stripped of his best players annually. Not sure how Zac would fair as OC if the same were done on that side of the ball.

All that being said, am fine with the coaching moves made per the tackling was atrocious and nothing got fixed until it was too late.  Yet still on fence on Lou being good or not. He made some great halftime adjustments during SB run and pretty sure he wanted to keep Bates and others around but got trumped on the decision in favor of offensive firepower. Which I get but not sure Lou is to blame for that being done. Although he is probably in favor of releasing Tee and using money on D and that's not a real popular opinion these days as well.

Still excited to move forward, something had to be shaken up.  Hate dreaming of next season while the playoffs are not even started but it's where we find ourselves once again.

The easy SB window has closed now and the Bengals must get much more creative after Chase and Higgins are signed this offseason. More favs will be cut.

I agree with you Go Cards on this, as on most things Bengals.   I also am fine with Coach Taylor firing these assistant coaches, as he says he did in a tough choice.  

I also agree with you on taking start of season more serious. I say the Preseason has became way to Wimpy.  Starters are never ready in September and Bengals keep having awful Septembers that causes them to miss Play-Offs.  I feel Starters need to get in a few reps in Preseason Game One, not many, but a few reps.   Then in Preseason Game Two they need to play most of 1st Half to get stretched out and in Football Shape as opposed to weight room or practice shape.  Then have starters take off Preseason Game Three to avoid injuries right before Regular Season Game One.

I completely agree that Bengals are Never ready to go start of regular season, and That has to change more than anything on this team. 

So we agree that the coaching changes were probably needed, but we also agree that this team has to be more ready to play in September.  Myself, I say starters need Preseason Reps and starters not playing any Preseason is too Wimpy and is causing bad Septembers keeping Bengals out of Play-Offs.  If you start 0-2 and especially 0-3, you are killing your Play-Off chances at start of season.  Get these guys ready to play in Preseason, and stop worrying about Preseason injuries. These starters need some Preseason reps if they ever want to start winning in September. 

 I agree Go Cards, this team has to be more ready to start the season in September, that has been what has been killing Bengals play-off chances last two seasons. Whoever Regular Season Game One is, Bengals need to go out and win it in 2025 for a change. 

GO BENGALS