Mind you the only reason Tee was extended is because the FO was held hostage by Chase's agent... NOT because of Tobin.

The plan was to tag and trade him which wasn't what Tobin envisioned in the presser....

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/agent-bengals-pivoted-from-tagging-and-trading-tee-higgins-to-keeping-him#:~:text=Before%20the%20Combine%2C%20Higgins%27s%20agent,and%20expensive%20%E2%80%94%20change%20of%20heart.

(03-20-2025, 09:59 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Will Hernandez might take a one year prove it deal to show he is healthy.  Scherff might be chasing an elusive rings and if he thinks the bengals could make a run he might come.  Same for z smith or c Campbell.  Campbell signed a $2,000,000 deal last year.

It's hard to see us as that team to sign with to get a ring. Probably the Bills and Chiefs are as they're perennial playoff teams that make runs.

We haven't made the playoffs in 2 years and largely have the same roster. IF things break right, we're a playoff team. And then from there, who knows? Got to make the playoffs to win a SB.

(03-20-2025, 10:01 AM)jj22 Wrote: Mind you the only reason Tee was extended is because the FO was held hostage by Chase's agent... NOT because of Tobin.

The plan was to tag and trade him which wasn't what Tobin envisioned in the presser....

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/agent-bengals-pivoted-from-tagging-and-trading-tee-higgins-to-keeping-him#:~:text=Before%20the%20Combine%2C%20Higgins%27s%20agent,and%20expensive%20%E2%80%94%20change%20of%20heart.

I like Tee. Happy he's back.

For the good of building a SB contender, trading him may have been the better move depending on return.

Like IF you can get a late 1st. Then, you have that pick AND all the cap space you saved. Could probably add 2 free agents.

But, water over the dam at this point.

(03-20-2025, 09:41 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: What DE is still out there worth signing? Clowney? But, I doubt they could afford him now.

IF they sign a Guard, my guess is it's $5 million or less. Might be why Scherff hasn't signed here. I'm sure they'd like him, but he probably wants more at this point.

Smith would be ideal for a one year band-aid and wouldn't preclude a high pick.  Same for Campbell though he's a 4-3 DT. Guard is the easiest fit though. 

(03-20-2025, 09:59 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Will Hernandez might take a one year prove it deal to show he is healthy.  Scherff might be chasing an elusive rings and if he thinks the bengals could make a run he might come.  Same for z smith or c Campbell.  Campbell signed a $2,000,000 deal last year.

3 years ago these would have been significant signings...

They'll be fine now but nothing to beat your chest about.... If they legitimately happen. I have doubts outside of a guard (which we need more than we want because of the  talent left).

(03-20-2025, 10:04 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I like Tee. Happy he's back.

For the good of building a SB contender, trading him may have been the better move depending on return.

Like IF you can get a late 1st. Then, you have that pick AND all the cap space you saved. Could probably add 2 free agents.

But, water over the dam at this point.

I agree all is well that ended well, and we now have to work with what we have going forward.

But folks could have waited to bump this thread until at least we signed a FA after it was created (given the Tobin plan was to get the deals done before FA started). A little to quick to try to prove my threat wrong (weeks after it was started).

Board GM's then signed their own free agents in this thread to say how wrong the thread was....

(03-20-2025, 10:01 AM)jj22 Wrote: Mind you the only reason Tee was extended is because the FO was held hostage by Chase's agent... NOT because of Tobin.

The plan was to tag and trade him which wasn't what Tobin envisioned in the presser....

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/agent-bengals-pivoted-from-tagging-and-trading-tee-higgins-to-keeping-him#:~:text=Before%20the%20Combine%2C%20Higgins%27s%20agent,and%20expensive%20%E2%80%94%20change%20of%20heart.

It absolutely was not.

From both Higgins himself AND Arceneaux, they thought that because the Tag was applied, their mindset was that Higgins was going to be traded.

They both then said that despite that, the Bengals were rejecting all offers and were working to sign him and they realized that they wanted him to stick around, so no, the plan was to keep him in the fold 100% and NOT to trade him.

(03-20-2025, 10:01 AM)jj22 Wrote: Mind you the only reason Tee was extended is because the FO was held hostage by Chase's agent... NOT because of Tobin.

The plan was to tag and trade him which wasn't what Tobin envisioned in the presser....

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/agent-bengals-pivoted-from-tagging-and-trading-tee-higgins-to-keeping-him#:~:text=Before%20the%20Combine%2C%20Higgins%27s%20agent,and%20expensive%20%E2%80%94%20change%20of%20heart.

Funny, because Tee said Katie told Rocky they have no plans to trade to Tee at the combine... Want to try again?

(03-20-2025, 11:17 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Funny, because Tee said Katie told Rocky they have no plans to trade to Tee at the combine... Want to try again?

You mean try another link? That wasn't my reporting.....

If anything this offseason has proved Burrow has more power than Tobin,

And by all reports and discussions that is pretty much a known fact at this point. 

Matter of fact, it's all everyone is talking about.

What we know, something changed at the combine and it sounds like Burrows reps got involved and made it clear trading Tee would not be satisfactory to keeping Burrow. Then the plan changed. 

We already know Chases agent had to threaten them with an all (Chase and Tee) or nothing choice. So what is it you guys are really trying to argue about? Tobin having some authority? Based off of what? Yall thought when he spoke of "talent" he was speaking of a old journeyman like Patrick? 

(Yesterday, 11:22 AM)jj22 Wrote: You mean try another link? That wasn't my reporting.....

If anything this offseason has proved Burrow has more power than Tobin,

And by all reports and discussions that is pretty much a known fact at this point. 

Matter of fact, it's all everyone is talking about.

What we know, something changed at the combine and it sounds like Burrows reps got involved and made it clear trading Tee would not be satisfactory to keeping Burrow. Then the plan changed. 

We already know Chases agent had to threaten them with an all (Chase and Tee) or nothing choice. So what is it you guys are really trying to argue about? Tobin having some authority? Based off of what? Yall thought when he spoke of "talent" he was speaking of a old journeyman like Patrick? 

lol. This is funny. 

You've seen how this team operates for...however long you've been a fan. For me it's been 47ish years. 

Yet you come in here with this "news", like it's somehow legitimate or even important. 

The Bengals: Mike Brown, Katie Brown, Troy Blackburn, etc., are not the type to be held hostage by anyone. Ever heard of Carson Palmer? Ever seen how they operate? How they've let players go because they didn't want to pay a certain amount or they didn't want to do a certain type of contract, i.e., guarantees, in the past? What they're doing now, is exactly what they've been doing for decades. They come around to 'current standards and practices' about 5-10 years later than all the other teams. It's just the way they do and have always done business. It's great that they're coming around...but it's nothing new. They just do it years after everyone else. 

Once again, this is all manufactured BS, that people use for clicks and "discussion" but there's about as much truth to the Brown's being held hostage as there is in me being named the President of the United States, tomorrow. 

(03-20-2025, 10:01 AM)jj22 Wrote: Mind you the only reason Tee was extended is because the FO was held hostage by Chase's agent... NOT because of Tobin.

The plan was to tag and trade him which wasn't what Tobin envisioned in the presser....

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/agent-bengals-pivoted-from-tagging-and-trading-tee-higgins-to-keeping-him#:~:text=Before%20the%20Combine%2C%20Higgins%27s%20agent,and%20expensive%20%E2%80%94%20change%20of%20heart.

Anybody that believes Chase and his agent would not have signed that deal that made him the highest paid Non-QB in the league if Tee was traded or went unsigned is gullible as hell. Big noise from them about it, but it was all hot wind. Jamarr would have signed that deal and Rocky would have advised him to. And the Bengals know that.

(Yesterday, 11:45 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: lol. This is funny. 

You've seen how this team operates for...however long you've been a fan. For me it's been 47ish years. 

Yet you come in here with this "news", like it's somehow legitimate or even important. 

The Bengals: Mike Brown, Katie Brown, Troy Blackburn, etc., are not the type to be held hostage by anyone. Ever heard of Carson Palmer? Ever seen how they operate? How they've let players go because they didn't want to pay a certain amount or they didn't want to do a certain type of contract, i.e., guarantees, in the past? What they're doing now, is exactly what they've been doing for decades. They come around to 'current standards and practices' about 5-10 years later than all the other teams. It's just the way they do and have always done business. It's great that they're coming around...but it's nothing new. They just do it years after everyone else. 

Once again, this is all manufactured BS, that people use for clicks and "discussion" but there's about as much truth to the Brown's being held hostage as there is in me being named the President of the United States, tomorrow. 

You are on this hill alone because outside of maybe a couple people on this board it's commonly understood now how Burrow and Chases agent influenced this thing.... 

(Yesterday, 11:50 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Anybody that believes Chase and his agent would not have signed that deal that made him the highest paid Non-QB in the league if Tee was traded or went unsigned is gullible as hell. Big noise from them about it, but it was all hot wind. Jamarr would have signed that deal and Rocky would have advised him to. And the Bengals know that.

Bengals FO must have been gullible as hell. 

Matter of fact reports were that they had decided to let Tee go as far back in October. This is coming from local reporters we all trust. 

(Yesterday, 11:22 AM)jj22 Wrote: You mean try another link? That wasn't my reporting.....

If anything this offseason has proved Burrow has more power than Tobin,

And by all reports and discussions that is pretty much a known fact at this point. 

Matter of fact, it's all everyone is talking about.

What we know, something changed at the combine and it sounds like Burrows reps got involved and made it clear trading Tee would not be satisfactory to keeping Burrow. Then the plan changed. 

We already know Chases agent had to threaten them with an all (Chase and Tee) or nothing choice. So what is it you guys are really trying to argue about? Tobin having some authority? Based off of what? Yall thought when he spoke of "talent" he was speaking of a old journeyman like Patrick? 

(Yesterday, 11:45 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: lol. This is funny. 

You've seen how this team operates for...however long you've been a fan. For me it's been 47ish years. 

Yet you come in here with this "news", like it's somehow legitimate or even important. 

The Bengals: Mike Brown, Katie Brown, Troy Blackburn, etc., are not the type to be held hostage by anyone. Ever heard of Carson Palmer? Ever seen how they operate? How they've let players go because they didn't want to pay a certain amount or they didn't want to do a certain type of contract, i.e., guarantees, in the past? What they're doing now, is exactly what they've been doing for decades. They come around to 'current standards and practices' about 5-10 years later than all the other teams. It's just the way they do and have always done business. It's great that they're coming around...but it's nothing new. They just do it years after everyone else. 

Once again, this is all manufactured BS, that people use for clicks and "discussion" but there's about as much truth to the Brown's being held hostage as there is in me being named the President of the United States, tomorrow. 

They were never going to trade Tee as everybody wanted him here. It was a matter of just working through it. Chase switching to Rocky as his agent was smart on his part. Zac, Joe, and Duke all were adamant Tee needed to be here. The Brown’s weren’t being dragged. They just needed to get it figured out and I’d expect the Browns/Duke said we need to get it done before the draft.So there was some degree of a deadline and everybody got it done. They wanted it before OTA’s as things will be different trying to correct the slow starts. 

Burrow even pressured them behind closed doors.

They even admitted it was a group effort in the presser with a lot of stuff happening publicly and privately with Burrow... You know who's name didn't come up in all the thank you's...... Tobin.

In other threads yall highlight how things have changed with the FO with Burrow. Why the sudden bout face? 

But yea, this FO would have always dished out this type of record breaking money for two players at the same position..... 

(Yesterday, 12:38 PM)jj22 Wrote: Burrow even pressured them behind closed doors.

They even admitted it was a group effort in the presser with a lot of stuff happening publicly and privately with Burrow... You know who's name didn't come up in all the thank you's...... Tobin.

In other threads yall highlight how things have changed with the FO with Burrow. Why the sudden bout face? 

But yea, this FO would have always dished out this type of record breaking money for two players at the same position..... 

Look. I'm not here to cure your craziness. 

I'm just pointing it out. 

(03-20-2025, 10:01 AM)jj22 Wrote: Mind you the only reason Tee was extended is because the FO was held hostage by Chase's agent... NOT because of Tobin.

The plan was to tag and trade him which wasn't what Tobin envisioned in the presser....

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/agent-bengals-pivoted-from-tagging-and-trading-tee-higgins-to-keeping-him#:~:text=Before%20the%20Combine%2C%20Higgins%27s%20agent,and%20expensive%20%E2%80%94%20change%20of%20heart.

thanks for your insider knowledge

(Yesterday, 12:38 PM)jj22 Wrote: Burrow even pressured them behind closed doors.

They even admitted it was a group effort in the presser with a lot of stuff happening publicly and privately with Burrow... You know who's name didn't come up in all the thank you's...... Tobin.

In other threads yall highlight how things have changed with the FO with Burrow. Why the sudden bout face? 

But yea, this FO would have always dished out this type of record breaking money for two players at the same position..... 

What is the point that you are trying to make? You don't know that Duke's plan was to sign and trade Tee. That's some arrogant HS! The plan was and always has been to get them signed. Duke said as much! 

Obviously they worked as a unit to get this done and instead of bitching you should be thankful! You can't let the good players leave and hope to have success. The Jessie Bates debacle shined a bright light on "how to lose an All-Pro Safety". 

It's not like JB was acting like AR in the public eye. He wasn't stern and defensive. He stated the facts about cap space. He's a SB capable winning QB. Everyone in the FN league knows this! You don't piss off the 5 star General on the team. You listen, and respond in kind. 

Deals done! One side of the ball is almost elite. The other can and will be fixed! New coaches on that side was a wonderful start. 

(Yesterday, 01:26 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: What is the point that you are trying to make? You don't know that Duke's plan was to sign and trade Tee. That's some arrogant HS! The plan was and always has been to get them signed. Duke said as much! 

Obviously they worked as a unit to get this done and instead of bitching you should be thankful! You can't let the good players leave and hope to have success. The Jessie Bates debacle shined a bright light on "how to lose an All-Pro Safety". 

It's not like JB was acting like AR in the public eye. He wasn't stern and defensive. He stated the facts about cap space. He's a SB capable winning QB. Everyone in the FN league knows this! You don't piss off the 5 star General on the team. You listen, and respond in kind. 

Deals done! One side of the ball is almost elite. The other can and will be fixed! New coaches on that side was a wonderful start. 

There has been a ton of reporting all week on how these contracts came about. None of this is coming from me. It's been the talk of the week! Maybe folks haven't been paying attention or listening to interviews and key local media figures discuss this. 

But yea, this is the standard FO contract approach as it has always been. If you all say so. Great job Tobin. I concede he has power.

Bates, Reader, MJ (when it was between him and Dunlap), TJ (when it was between him and Ocho), Marvin Jones and even Palmer himself etc just to name a few recent cases may beg to differ.