(8 hours ago)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: No, just by people who were not well informed. Mims had injury flags, but excellent tape. With good technique. He was not raw. Just inexperienced due to missing time. 

Stewart has huge athletic gifts. He plays hard. But has poor technique (especially hands), and misses a huge amount of tackles (26.9%, I believe). He struggles with the football part to a much greater degree. 

But there are some bright spots. First in FBS in first to pressure time. 5th rated run defender amongst DEs via PFF. 39 pressures. 

And this oiece from Denher compates him to other recent 260+ lb DEs with RAS scores over 9.8. Some busts,,but some hits as well. Many with poor college production.

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2025/04/24/bengals-pick-shemar-stewart-shocking-numbers-top-names-myles-garrett/83263714007/

I mean, I hate the pick. I'd have picked a safer guy (Zabel, Jackson, Starks, Campbell, Emmanwori). If I wanted to gamble, I'd have gambled on a guy with top 10 tape (Johnson). Eben Barron or Simmons would have been better in my book. 

But Stewart is here now. He has huge upside. He just turned 21. He only played in just over 100 true pass set snaps last year. They aligned him inside quite a bit (inside the tackle). He seems to be well liked at A&M and a team guy. He couid bust,,but if he booms.....lookout. 

Were those guys safer picks? Some had low RAS scores. Some had injuries. Some had effort concerns.

Some haven't been drafted yet.

For those comparing the Stew pick to Murph and then point to poor draft grades as validation:

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/bengals-get-high-grades-for-myles-murphy-draft-pick

NFL.COM: A
The Athletic: A
CBS: B
Sports Illustrated: B+
The Ringer: B
PFF: Very Good (just below elite)

(6 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Shemar knows how to shed blocks, bull rush, set an Edge and has insanse athleticism. He knows how to play football, he just needs to learn to
keep his head up and finish. I see these brutal comments a lot especially if a player doesn't have good production. 

You cannot teach this guy's size, motor, strength, speed etc.

For example, this is not a Jackson Carman type of pick. This guy loves football and wants to be great, unlike Carman who was all talent and but 
not the want. Cannot say this for Shemar Stewart, I am obviously really warming up to the pick after watching film of the guy.

It would also be interesting to find a stat for a player who didn't finish many many plays, at least in sacks, but how many he created for his other defenders. Sacks are beautiful but I guarantee you plenty on this board might like Trey to give up a few if he wreaked havoc on opposing offenses in other ways via playing the run, having the versatility to be moved around more to make offenses account for him,etc. No knock on Trey because he's a warrior and I'm certainly not comparing the two.

We like to blame OL for giving up sacks to QB's that are quite mobile but actually "run into them" more than the sack-masters actually getting them. I have a feeling Stewart is going to make offenses account for him far more than any defender we've had since Geno.

(5 hours ago)higgy100 Wrote: It would also be interesting to find a stat for a player who didn't finish many many plays, at least in sacks, but how many he created for his other defenders. Sacks are beautiful but I guarantee you plenty on this board might like Trey to give up a few if he wreaked havoc on opposing offenses in other ways via playing the run, having the versatility to be moved around more to make offenses account for him,etc. No knock on Trey because he's a warrior and I'm certainly not comparing the two.

We like to blame OL for giving up sacks to QB's that are quite mobile but actually "run into them" more than the sack-masters actually getting them. I have a feeling Stewart is going to make offenses account for him far more than any defender we've had since Geno.

Well he played on a line with other NFL level players and they finished 12th in the SEC on defense. Thats only out of 16 teams. He was a non factor. 

I’m starting to warm up to the pick. Watched some tape and he was quite disruptive. I don’t like his missed tackle rate, though. And a lot of the video I watched had him lined up at RDE. Can he play LDE, or is he Trey’s back up plan / rotational guy (I don’t see Trey come off the field often, if at all really)? I foresee a rotation at LDE this year with a heavy dose of Ossai unless they double up and draft another, mid round (L)DE if Stewart can’t play LDE.

(5 hours ago)The D.O.Z. Wrote: I’m starting to warm up to the pick. Watched some tape and he was quite disruptive. I don’t like his missed tackle rate, though. And a lot of the video I watched had him lined up at RDE. Can he play LDE, or is he Trey’s back up plan / rotational guy (I don’t see Trey come off the field often, if at all really)? I foresee a rotation at LDE this year with a heavy dose of Ossai unless they double up and draft another, mid round (L)DE if Stewart can’t play LDE.

Hes got the Tools  lets see if our Coaches can turn it to production

(5 hours ago)The D.O.Z. Wrote: I’m starting to warm up to the pick. Watched some tape and he was quite disruptive. I don’t like his missed tackle rate, though. And a lot of the video I watched had him lined up at RDE. Can he play LDE, or is he Trey’s back up plan / rotational guy (I don’t see Trey come off the field often, if at all really)? I foresee a rotation at LDE this year with a heavy dose of Ossai unless they double up and draft another, mid round (L)DE if Stewart can’t play LDE.

I don't know, but hope he can challenge Ossai and Murphy for playing time at LDE.

He is definitely a beast of an athlete, let's hope he is like Parsons and a better sack guy in the NFL than he was in college. I do believe he will be solid against the run day 1 and if so not a liability to be on the field. We all love the sacks, but our run defense was very bad the past 2 years after we lost Reader. Even then, it was not great.

(8 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: Seems many around here didn't want Booker because he wasn't Athletic enough despite dominating on the field. Now we're hating Stew for the opposite.

The following list contains former Bengal Great Wyatt Hubert:

Will McDonald (13)
Cade Hall (0)
Patrick Johnson (0)
Patrick Jones II (12)
Ochaun Mathis (0)
Leighton McCarthy (0)
Tarron Jackson (1)
Wyatt Hubert (1)
Isaiah Thomas (1)
Durrell Johnson (0)

Does anyone know what it is?

2020 NCAA Sack leaders (CAREER NFL Sacks)

That's a fair point that you make, and a valid one at that. Just look no further than Myles Murphy, who had good production at the college level, and he's struggling to find his footing heading into his 3rd season.

At first I was a little disappointed with the Stewart selection because of his lack of production numbers. However, I must give credit to Synric for posting those videos of Stewart versus Arkansas and Florida. The guy really comes off the snap like he's shot out of a cannon, instantly defeats attempts to block him, and his only fault might be that he was charging too hard to latch onto some very elusive QBs and RBs. Given the day to think about it and absorb some good footage of him in action, I'm really warming up to him being out 1st round pick.

Conversely to the Stewart footage, when I watched similar clips of Murphy at Clemson, it seemed that he was the beneficiary of playing on a loaded front more times than being THE reason it was a loaded front.

From Al Golden on the selection of Shamar Stewart...

Quote:I'm just really excited about the young man...You're not compromising character, work ethic, playstyle, height/weight/speed. The focus is on what he needs to improve, and I welcome that challenge.

(6 hours ago)Frank Booth Wrote: It’s a duke tobin pick like always. I’m sick of this blaming al golden nonsense already

Nobody is blaming him. The kid hasn’t played a down so if he gets 11 sacks this season I guess we would be “blaming” Golden for that.
You just seem to want to target only Duke. For sure he has had his fair share of failures and this is a risky pick.

Right or wrong the Bengals coaches scout a lot more than other NFL teams so they have a lot more say in the players who are picked. Their voices are heard and yet you think Duke would take a guy that Golden wasn’t really high on? Like Pally said Golden coached against him so if he didn’t like him they would not have taken him

Ultimately it’s Dukes pick/final say I’m sure but it’s obvious that Gooden had a big impact in them drafting Stewart.
Don’t know why you can’t see that.

(5 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's a fair point that you make, and a valid one at that. Just look no further than Myles Murphy, who had good production at the college level, and he's struggling to find his footing heading into his 3rd season.

At first I was a little disappointed with the Stewart selection because of his lack of production numbers. However, I must give credit to Synric for posting those videos of Stewart versus Arkansas and Florida. The guy really comes off the snap like he's shot out of a cannon, instantly defeats attempts to block him, and his only fault might be be that he was charging too hard to latch onto some very elusive QBs and RBs. Given the day to think about it and absorb some good footage of him in action, I'm really warming up to him being out 1st round pick.

Conversely to the Stewart footage, when I watched similar clips of Murphy at Clemson, it seemed that he was the beneficiary of playing on a loaded front more times than being THE reason it was a loaded front.

I had to go watch some film on him. I just read an outlet that gave Cincy a C grade for the pick, can't remember which one. It said he has the talent but lacks instinctual football skills. 

He's damn sure big and fast! I thought that Green was the more well rounded out of the two, but Green faced lesser competition at Marshal. That may have put Stewart in the drivers seat. I reckon we're gonna find out. I hope to goodness he pans out better than Murphy has thus far. 

(5 hours ago)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I had to go watch some film on him. I just read an outlet that gave Cincy a C grade for the pick, can't remember which one. It said he has the talent but lacks instinctual football skills. 

He's damn sure big and fast! I thought that Green was the more well rounded out of the two, but Green faced lesser competition at Marshal. That may have put Stewart in the drivers seat. I reckon we're gonna find out. I hope to goodness he pans out better than Murphy has thus far. 

Someone posted the ND tape.  All you have to do is watch his head.  If he keeps it down, he gets lost.  He wins his rep, but then has to look up and adjust.  

When he keeps his head up from the start he disrupts the play almost every time (unless the play is moving away from him of course).  If they teach him to keep his head from the snap, then we'll see something.

I always like players who admit they have work to do. Article on Bengals website.

Has Stewart scratched the surface of his potential?

"Not even close," he said. "Trust me. When I get there, it's going to be a scary sight."

https://www.bengals.com/news/intense-bengals-first-round-pick-shemar-stewart-brings-the-heat-it-s-going-to-be-a-scary-sight

(5 hours ago)higgy100 Wrote: It would also be interesting to find a stat for a player who didn't finish many many plays, at least in sacks, but how many he created for his other defenders. Sacks are beautiful but I guarantee you plenty on this board might like Trey to give up a few if he wreaked havoc on opposing offenses in other ways via playing the run, having the versatility to be moved around more to make offenses account for him,etc. No knock on Trey because he's a warrior and I'm certainly not comparing the two.

We like to blame OL for giving up sacks to QB's that are quite mobile but actually "run into them" more than the sack-masters actually getting them. I have a feeling Stewart is going to make offenses account for him far more than any defender we've had since Geno.

True Higgy. Just in the Notre Dame film alone I saw at least 4 plays where Shemar blew up the run game or sent the QB running into a Sack 
for some other player. But notably, Shemar looks better against the run at this point from what I saw in that game. Disruptive is the essence of
what I see with Shemar Stewart. Not a bad thing at all and he can play on both sides of the line, RE and LE.

(5 hours ago)Stewy Wrote: Someone posted the ND tape.  All you have to do is watch his head.  If he keeps it down, he gets lost.  He wins his rep, but then has to look up and adjust.  

When he keeps his head up from the start he disrupts the play almost every time (unless the play is moving away from him of course).  If they teach him to keep his head from the snap, then we'll see something.

I hope it is an easy fix. Golden did see him (albeit) other side of the ball this year.

If Golden is happy, I will change my view and also be happy. The more I read, the better I feel about this pick. 

(5 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: True Higgy. Just in the Notre Dame film alone I saw at least 4 plays where Shemar blew up the run game or sent the QB running into a Sack 
for some other player. But notably, Shemar looks better against the run at this point from what I saw in that game. Disruptive is the essence of
what I see with Shemar Stewart. Not a bad thing at all and he can play on both sides of the line, RE and LE.

I know PFF is not the end all, but they have in top 5 as a run defender in college football last year.

I am not an expert, but a guy this athletic who seems to already have playing the run well down Montgomery may be able to focus more time on him rushing the passer.

I also changed my view once I read how A&M used him on their DL, all over and not just at DE, but stop run first seemed to be their moto for DL.

(5 hours ago)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I had to go watch some film on him. I just read an outlet that gave Cincy a C grade for the pick, can't remember which one. It said he has the talent but lacks instinctual football skills. 

He's damn sure big and fast! I thought that Green was the more well rounded out of the two, but Green faced lesser competition at Marshal. That may have put Stewart in the drivers seat. I reckon we're gonna find out. I hope to goodness he pans out better than Murphy has thus far. 

Nice post Coach. Completely agree, Shemar is big, strong, extremely fast and faced much better competition in the SEC.

His get off is really fast which as we have seen in the NFL can be deadly. Aaron Donald has about the fastest first step I have seen for a big man.

I wanted Mike Green because of his production, but he is undersized and went against lesser competition to get all that production.

(5 hours ago)Stewy Wrote: Someone posted the ND tape.  All you have to do is watch his head.  If he keeps it down, he gets lost.  He wins his rep, but then has to look up and adjust.  

When he keeps his head up from the start he disrupts the play almost every time (unless the play is moving away from him of course).  If they teach him to keep his head from the snap, then we'll see something.

Spot on Stewy. Synric posted the ND tape, watch his head, when he keeps it up he knows where he is going and no one was going to stop him 
and that is against Notre Dame, the team in college that puts out great OL every year it seems. Not hard to teach this honestly.

Im digging through any article even by unreputable websites to find some sort of positive! who dey! Dave Crinkleberg of the Mastic Beach tribune says this was a homerun! A+

Seems to me the guy simply lacks proper technique, hand placement and such. Perhaps Montgomery and Peterson can bring him up to speed quickly. It's not rocket science. I've been more bummed out in the past by other number one picks. He does have some things that can't be taught like speed and power, but techniques can be taught. 

(6 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: For those comparing the Stew pick to Murph and then point to poor draft grades as validation:

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/bengals-get-high-grades-for-myles-murphy-draft-pick

NFL.COM: A
The Athletic: A
CBS: B
Sports Illustrated: B+
The Ringer: B
PFF: Very Good (just below elite)

Maybe that's why Lou got sacked..