(08-17-2025, 10:15 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Have you been paying attention? Patrick dont look too good. Adding talent late is what good teams do. So I'd say its about that trying to be a good team.

I get Patrick sucks, but the time to address it was during free agency. I doubt any of these guys off the street are going to come in and learn the system and be huge upgrades.

Risner and Mason have been there available for months. The time to sign them was a month ago.

(08-17-2025, 11:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: They just broke the bank to sign "his" WRs long term, and you think there's a 50% chance he tries to leave if we don't extend Trey? 

Yep. They've prioritized keeping Joe happy.

That said, they have cap space for Trey.

(08-17-2025, 11:09 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep. They've prioritizes keeping Joe happy.

That said, they have cap space for Trey.

Of course they have room to sign Trey. I just find it absurd that folks think JB will "force" to leave if they don't. 

(08-17-2025, 10:21 PM)puddycat Wrote: I now have Hendrickson fatigue.  Absent real news, I just don't give a flying..
Not a reflection of y'all, but for right now I'm just done.
I was going to add a "I don't care" meme, but I can't be bothered.

Maybe Bengals should endd the drama. Pull the offer and tell Trey report for week 1 ready to practice adnd play or be fined 950K a day.

At least that ends the distraction and the team can focus on getting ready for the Browns and the 2025 season without Trey.

Remind the fine is 950K a week which is 1 week game check plus losing game bonus.

(08-17-2025, 11:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course they have room to sign Trey. I just find it absurd that folks think JB will "force" to leave if they don't. 

I think we're several years away frim that at minimum.

That said, Burrow is what 28. 29 in Dec. It feels like they're wasting his prime years.

Honestly, I dont think they're Trey away from a SB unless some of these young guys play like stars.

(08-17-2025, 11:12 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Maybe Bengals should endd the drama. Pull the offer and tell Trey report for week 1 ready to practice adnd play or be fined 950K a day.

At least that ends the distraction and the team can focus on getting ready for the Browns and the 2025 season without Trey.

Remind the fine is 950K a week which is 1 week game check plus losing game bonus.

That's just it. The defense might be absolutely terrible then.

Without seeing the offers, its hard to know what to recommend them doing.

(08-17-2025, 11:12 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Maybe Bengals should endd the drama. Pull the offer and tell Trey report for week 1 ready to practice adnd play or be fined 950K a day.

At least that ends the distraction and the team can focus on getting ready for the Browns and the 2025 season without Trey.

Remind the fine is 950K a week which is 1 week game check plus losing game bonus.

I mean I wouldn't be shocked if we got here before he's traded.  Right or wrong the FO doesn't weigh the media of any value in contract discussions. 

I'd there are actual trade talks (as opposed to what they did earlier  in the offseason) it's complex. Step 1 is the other team trading their solid DE and a pick for Trey. Step 2 is the Bengals trading some sort of pick for more DL help now, guard or safety help.  We can't take a huge step back at DE and be happy with a 2nd in our back pocket while being a pretender. 

(08-17-2025, 11:17 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: That's just it. The defense might be absolutely terrible then.

Without seeing the offers, its hard to know what to recommend them doing.

It may be or Trey may miss one week and then end it and come to work. Or waste making 16 million in 2025 and then be a year earlier and still under the same contract for 2026.

He has to play in 2026 or the contract carries over to 2026.

(08-17-2025, 07:17 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: To me there is no excuse for the FO. People joke about the Browns ownership but if they had Burrow and Chase they'd have built a dynasty. They just have no idea what their doing. We are sitting here with 30 mil in cap space and a RG that gets flipped like a flap jack during practice possibly the worst safety duo in the NFL and we can't sign Trey. Figure out what your doing when you still have time to do something to help the team. They are going with a multi-year rebuild model and people are fine with this? News flash when Chase declines thats not helping Burrow we have a 5yr clock thats ticking right now. Trey is a back to back sack leader either pay him or know that your not going to pay him and trade him earlier like any competent front office would do.

Pretty much. There’s a reason the Bengals under Mike Brown have never been a consistent Super Bowl threat, or a consistent Playoff team. This ownership/front office has earned its reputation across the league and with the players. Clown show operation; has been for over 30 years. The players win despite the Brown/Blackburn Family. The deck is always stacked against the players.

(08-17-2025, 11:25 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Pretty much.  There’s a reason the Bengals under Mike Brown have never been a consistent Super Bowl threat, or a consistent Playoff team.  This ownership/front office has earned its reputation across the league and with the players.  Clown show operation; has been for over 30 years.  The players win despite the Brown/Blackburn Family.  The deck is always stacked against the players.

Honestly I think that news came from Treys camp. I can't see how the Bengals would put that out now with Murphy being week to week. No way they have any interest in trading him unless an unbelievable offer came thru. I just wish they would get it done already and see what if anything can be done ontop of that before the season.

(08-17-2025, 11:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course they have room to sign Trey. I just find it absurd that folks think JB will "force" to leave if they don't. 

If he plays another season of unbelievable, MVP caliber QB and they miss the playoffs again, I find absurd certain folks think it can’t happen.

If they did everything they could and it didn’t work due to injuries, sure. Can’t fault them for injuries. But to start Lucas Patrick at IOL after ignoring plenty of opportunities to upgrade and refuse to raise the guaranteed money for the team’s best defensive player without improving the defense otherwise in any meaningful way, despite being comfortably under the cap, yeah. It absolutely could happen.

It’s bizarre to think otherwise.

(08-17-2025, 11:33 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: If he plays another season of unbelievable, MVP caliber QB and they miss the playoffs again, I find absurd certain folks think it can’t happen.

If they did everything they could and it didn’t work due to injuries, sure. Can’t fault them for injuries. But to start Lucas Patrick at IOL after ignoring plenty of opportunities to upgrade and refuse to raise the guaranteed money for the team’s best defensive player without improving the defense otherwise in any meaningful way, despite being comfortably under the cap, yeah. It absolutely could happen.

It’s bizarre to think otherwise.

I dont want Carson Palmer to be right. Please dont make him right Bengals. I think Palmers comments would be atleast ringing in his head. Not sure as long as Chase is here we see that but if he cares about winning it all he'll have to be thinking it.

(08-17-2025, 11:33 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: If he plays another season of unbelievable, MVP caliber QB and they miss the playoffs again, I find absurd certain folks think it can’t happen.

If they did everything they could and it didn’t work due to injuries, sure. Can’t fault them for injuries. But to start Lucas Patrick at IOL after ignoring plenty of opportunities to upgrade and refuse to raise the guaranteed money for the team’s best defensive player without improving the defense otherwise in any meaningful way, despite being comfortably under the cap, yeah. It absolutely could happen.

It’s bizarre to think otherwise.

Roll with it. 

First he was going to force an out because we don't resign Trey. Now he forces an out because we have Lucas Patrick.

Seems like only yesterday, he wasn't going to sign with us if we drafted him. 

(08-17-2025, 11:23 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It may be or Trey may miss one week and then end it and come to work. Or waste making 16 million in 2025 and then be a year earlier and still under the same contract for 2026.

He has to play in 2026 or the contract carries over to 2026.

I think he can miss like 8 or 9 games this year. Reddick did that last year for the Jets.

(08-17-2025, 11:25 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Pretty much. There’s a reason the Bengals under Mike Brown have never been a consistent Super Bowl threat, or a consistent Playoff team. This ownership/front office has earned its reputation across the league and with the players. Clown show operation; has been for over 30 years. The players win despite the Brown/Blackburn Family. The deck is always stacked against the players.

The bengals have made the playoffs 9 times over the last 20 years, tied for 9th best in the NFL. Thats pretty consistent.

Teams with more appearances:
Patriots - Brady (HOF)
Packers - Rodgers (HOF)
Seahawks - Russ (I think he is, recency bias will hurt him)
Ravens - Flacco/Lamar
Steelers - Ben (HOF)
Chiefs - mostly mahomes (HOF), Alex smith
Eagles - team
Colts - manning (HOF)

Considering Andy dalton was the qb for a decade over that time frame, it’s pretty impressive if you ask me.

Consistent Super Bowl threat, no. But I believe there are only 5 active QBs that have won a SB: Mahomes, Rodgers, stafford, Russ, hurts.

Outside of Brady/mahomes, what team is a “consistent” SB threat?

(08-17-2025, 11:32 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Honestly I think that news came from Treys camp. I can't see how the Bengals would put that out now with Murphy being week to week. No way they have any interest in trading him unless an unbelievable offer came thru. I just wish they would get it done already and see what if anything can be done ontop of that before the season.

Or the Bengals are talking to other teams about trading him and it leaked out that way. It didn't have to come from Trey's side or the Bengals side.

Rumors leak all the time. Some true. Some not.

But, in this case, IF they can't sign him, why wouldn't they look to trade him for actual players? They might see that they have issues at Guard and Safety.

(08-17-2025, 11:38 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I dont want Carson Palmer to be right. Please dont make him right Bengals. I think Palmers comments would be atleast ringing in his head. Not sure as long as Chase is here we see that but if he cares about winning it all he'll have to be thinking it.

I don't think he'd force his way out atleast not for the next couple years. But, I think he'd get vocal about the front office.

Lets face it, they've whiffed on a bunch of draft picks. The goal was for Murphy to replace Trey most likely, but Murphy appears to be a whiff.

The issue is, Burrow/Chase/Tee are so good, that no matter how bad the Bengals mess things up, their floor is around .500. Like take Burrow and Chase off this team, and last year is probably a 4-13 year. Maybe 2-15. Then, you get a Top 3 pick and add talent.

Well now, the Bengals are stuck drafting in the late teens to early 20s where they struggle to find players.

(Yesterday, 08:14 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: The bengals have made the playoffs 9 times over the last 20 years, tied for 9th best in the NFL.  Thats pretty consistent.

Teams with more appearances:
Patriots - Brady (HOF)
Packers - Rodgers (HOF)
Seahawks - Russ (I think he is, recency bias will hurt him)
Ravens - Flacco/Lamar
Steelers - Ben (HOF)
Chiefs - mostly mahomes (HOF), Alex smith
Eagles - team
Colts - manning (HOF)

Considering Andy dalton was the qb for a decade over that time frame, it’s pretty impressive if you ask me.  

Consistent Super Bowl threat, no.  But I believe there are only 5 active QBs that have won a SB: Mahomes, Rodgers, stafford, Russ, hurts.

Outside of Brady/mahomes, what team is a “consistent” SB threat?

Yes. The 5 times with Dalton was indeed impressive.

They kind of lucked into Burrow and Chase. Their goal was to hire Taylor and have him revamp the team around Dalton with a modern offense, but it went so bad that they lucked into Burrow. Then, they un-Bengal-like signed a bunch of free agents Bell, Reader, Hendrickson that all hit. And they had draft picks like Bates that hit. But, most of those guys are gone and they haven't replaced their production...especially on defense.

(Yesterday, 09:33 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yes. The 5 times with Dalton was indeed impressive.

They kind of lucked into Burrow and Chase. Their goal was to hire Taylor and have him revamp the team around Dalton with a modern offense, but it went so bad that they lucked into Burrow. Then, they un-Bengal-like signed a bunch of free agents Bell, Reader, Hendrickson that all hit. And they had draft picks like Bates that hit. But, most of those guys are gone and they haven't replaced their production...especially on defense.

I agree mostly. But the roster was awful when Zac took over. The culture worse. But the free agent signings did hit and aren’t now. Neither are the draft picks. The bottom line what is holding this team back is the ownership. Running a profitable team and guarding that philosophy tightly comes before winning. It’s just plain old Midwestern Conservatism.

I think it was BFine that said it about a week ago. Kwitty Paye + a 2nd round pick for Trey is a realistic trade scenario but it does make the overall Bengals worse in the middle of a superbowl window.