Tee’s market price

[QueenCity]

Tag and trade Tee and see if we can pick up a rookie WR in the draft or bring in a Vet.

The trenches have to be the focal point.

If we do trade Tee for heavens sake do it before the draft so we aren't waiting an entire season on the return.

[PCB Bengal Fan]

(01-26-2025, 12:01 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: 3. His QB.

How many times did Dalton overthrow him or underthrow him or throw the ball out of bounds to him, all while AJ was wide open? Dalton had accuracy down the middle of the field on deep throws, but everywhere else it was shaky.

[PCB Bengal Fan]

(01-26-2025, 01:10 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I know you ninja'd and I rep'd back, but I still feel the need to point out...
In 2024, Justin Jefferson had over 1500 yards and 10 TDs with Sam Darnold as his QB.
In 2023, DJ Moore nearly had 1400 yards with Justin Fields and Tyson Bagant as his QBs.
In 2022, Davante Adams had over 1500 yards and 14 TDs with Derek Carr and Jarrett Stidham as his QBs.


I am realistic about Dalton's ceiling as a QB, but I still will feel compelled to want to fight anyone who says they think those QBs are better than Dalton was.   

It's more about his deep throw accuracy along the sidelines. It was terrible.

[Essex Johnson]

(01-27-2025, 12:24 PM)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: How many times did Dalton overthrow him or underthrow him or throw the ball out of bounds to him, all while AJ was wide open? Dalton had accuracy down the middle of the field on deep throws, but everywhere else it was shaky.

Well even if he was weak down sidelines, other QBs were also when you look at  according to PFF (which again we can debate ) from  "2006-2016 deep passer rating,  His past deep passer rating was a 95.3, which should be shocking for fans who badmouthed him that whole time. Only nine current quarterbacks had a better deep passer rating over that same span, including Roethlisberger who beat him by 0.5."

[Frank Booth]

(01-27-2025, 01:19 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Well even if he was weak down sidelines, other QBs were also when you look at  according to PFF (which again we can debate ) from  "2006-2016 deep passer rating,  His past deep passer rating was a 95.3, which should be shocking for fans who badmouthed him that whole time. Only nine current quarterbacks had a better deep passer rating over that same span, including Roethlisberger who beat him by 0.5."

people are trashing a former player here, what else is new.

I dont care about the season that Darnold just had, Andy was better than him. 

[lone bengal]

How do the Eagles pay everyone ? Would love some insight genuinely asking. Obliviously them drafting great is a huge part of the reason why there back in the Super Bowl. They’re paying Hurts, Barkley, A.J. Brown, Devonte Smith , Landon Dickerson, Goedert , Lane Johnson , Jordan Mailata, Darius Slay and C.J Gardner Johnson. Jake Elliot is tied for the 2nd highest paid kicker in the league.

[bengalsboy]

(01-27-2025, 11:08 AM)QueenCity Wrote: Tag and trade Tee and see if we can pick up a rookie WR in the draft or bring in a Vet.

The trenches have to be the focal point.

If we do trade Tee for heavens sake do it before the draft so we aren't waiting an entire season on the return.

There is one thing,people are forgetting.Joe Burrow,wants and expects,Higgins to stay in Cincinnati.

[*jason*]

(01-27-2025, 01:56 PM)lone bengal Wrote: How do the Eagles pay everyone ? Would love some insight genuinely asking. Obliviously them drafting great is a huge part of the reason why there back in the Super Bowl. They’re paying Hurts, Barkley, A.J. Brown, Devonte Smith , Landon Dickerson, Goedert , Lane Johnson , Jordan Mailata, Darius Slay and C.J Gardner Johnson.

Well for one thing they get extensions done early. Tee Higgins should've been extended after 2022, and Chase last year.

[lone bengal]

(01-27-2025, 02:01 PM)jason Wrote: Well for one thing they get extensions done early. Tee Higgins should've been extended after 2022, and Chase last year.

Agreed the price tag on players keeps going up every year so waiting is dumb if you really want the player back. Even the Bates contract probably looks good now.

[Ell Prez]

(01-27-2025, 05:17 AM)kevin Wrote: However your paying over 60 mil to Chase and Higgins plus what they pay Burrow would not allow Bengals to rebuild.  The Chiefs let Hill go and continue to go Super Bowl. The Bills let a top WR go and went AFC Championship. The Patriots let many WR's go as they went to many Super Bowls.  

For those who say Chase and Higgins are unbeatable, wrong, the Bengals have been missing the play-offs.  They need money spent on Defense to get back in play-offs.  

The Bengals need to sign Chase long term to go with Burrow. Problem is the Defense gives up more points than Burrow can score,  They brought in Golden, so address the Defense.  

The Bengals are not winning with Chase and Higgins, so don't think like Bengals.  Think like Chiefs who let Hill go, but still keep going Super Bowl as they continue to try to give Mahomes a Defense and Blocking.   You might have a point if Chase and Higgins are winning, but they are not.  Let Higgins finally go Free Agent in March, sign Chase long term, and move on.  The Bengals need to stop beating this dead horse, for if they wanted Higgins they would have signed him long term in 2023.  

The window has closed on the 2021 and 2022 Bengals.  In 2025, it is time to rebuild a solid team around Burrow to Chase. That is what the Patriots and Chiefs did to keep going Super Bowl.  Are the Bengals winning with Higgins, No.   So let Golden have the players to compete in the AFC North of tough Defenses.   Like Mahomes or Allen, Burrow will get the ball to other pass catchers without Higgins, and like Chiefs the Bengals will be a better team for making changes.  Change is a constant. 

Should the Bengals pay 20 to 30 million to Higgins, No...Should the Bengals instead spend money on improving the Defense.  Yes.....Burrow can not score 50 points a game.  However when Bengals had a good Defense, Burrow got Bengals to Super Bowl and AFC Championship back to back years  Give Burrow to Chase a solid Defense again. Otherwise hiring Golden is pointless, 

Comparing everything to the chiefs is not fair as we’re not the same. The chiefs have one of, if not, the best coaches of all time. They have one of, if not the best QB of all time. Their front office is much better at drafting than ours.

It’s kind of foolish to say, well the Chiefs moved on from their top wr and made multiple super bowls. And also saying, well bengals made the Super Bowl with tee, chase, and Higgins; so that’s the formula. Just because we made one superbowl, it doesn’t mean that is the recipe. The falcons made one superbowl with Matt Ryan and never made it again. The truth is we need really good players. We need quite a few more than we currently have. How do we do that? Well we need to hit on this upcoming draft and get one really good player and one pretty good. We need 2-3 pretty good free agents. If we lose one in Tee, add another number to that list.


I’m pretty torn on this. In a perfect world, I think everyone would say they would tag and trade Tee, and sign the best OL or DL player in FA. I don’t trust the bengals to do that at all. I think the more likely scenario is they would go after 2 B level players to replace that salary.

Considering our history of FA targets and drafting, I lean towards keeping Tee as he is a proven weapon. If Tee wasn’t a Bengal and hitting free agency, and we needed a WR, do you think we would land him? No? Then what makes you think we’ll land the top paid FA DL?

[c766]

(01-27-2025, 01:22 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I dont care about the season that Darnold just had, Andy was better than him. 

Darnold is awful - Great analysis 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(01-27-2025, 01:56 PM)lone bengal Wrote: How do the Eagles pay everyone ? Would love some insight genuinely asking. Obliviously them drafting great is a huge part of the reason why there back in the Super Bowl. They’re paying Hurts, Barkley, A.J. Brown, Devonte Smith , Landon Dickerson, Goedert , Lane Johnson , Jordan Mailata, Darius Slay and C.J Gardner Johnson. Jake Elliot is tied for the 2nd highest paid kicker in the league.

1. They don't pay everyone. They have let guys like Javon Hargrave and TJ Edwards walk in '23 and they're going to lose more this offseason.
2. They are drafting absolutely amazingly.
3. They are going HEAVY into void years and restructuring to push cap hits forward, ignoring tomorrow's consequences for today's benefit.

As of right now the Eagles already have $228m of cap space already allocated for 2027. Over $92m of that is from guys who will not be under contract with them. It doesn't get any better in the future as they have $189m already allocated in 2028 and $199m already allocated in 2029, again from largely players who won't be playing for them.

They are absolutely selling their future in order to try to win now, and spending tons of cash to do it, and even that's only being held up by amazing drafts. They've built themselves a pretty firm timelimit for that window to close, though. Once closed, it'll likely stay closed for 3-4+ years. Unless they magically manage to keep drafting nothing but Pro Bowlers and All-Pros for the next half decade.

[Stewy]

(01-27-2025, 01:57 PM)bengalsboy Wrote: There is one thing,people are forgetting.Joe Burrow,wants and expects,Higgins to stay in Cincinnati.

This is a naïve fan perspective.  Joe understands the business and he's advocating for his boy.  He knows we can't keep everyone.

[*ochocincos*]

(01-27-2025, 01:56 PM)lone bengal Wrote: How do the Eagles pay everyone ? Would love some insight genuinely asking. Obliviously them drafting great is a huge part of the reason why there back in the Super Bowl. They’re paying Hurts, Barkley, A.J. Brown, Devonte Smith , Landon Dickerson, Goedert , Lane Johnson , Jordan Mailata, Darius Slay and C.J Gardner Johnson. Jake Elliot is tied for the 2nd highest paid kicker in the league.

From looking at their big hitters, here's primarily how...

Jalen Hurts signed for $51 mill APY but he got 4 added VOID years tacked on to spread that cap hit across more seasons. He doesn't have a cap hit of $50+ mill for any season he's actually under contract because of this.

AJ Brown same kinda deal. Signed for $32 mill APY but 4 voided years to spread the hit over.

Lane Johnson same.

So this is the way.
Kick the can down the road in order to load the team and win now.

[*Synric*]

Fun fact. The Chiefs will be playing 5 players at or over 20m in 2025 while Bengals will be paying 2 maybe 3 depending on Trey Hendrickson.

The Bengals will also likely be cutting or restructuring their 4th, 5th, and 6th highest paid players for 2025 (Rankins, Hubbard, Cappa).

[ERIC1]

(01-27-2025, 01:56 PM)lone bengal Wrote: How do the Eagles pay everyone ? Would love some insight genuinely asking. Obliviously them drafting great is a huge part of the reason why there back in the Super Bowl. They’re paying Hurts, Barkley, A.J. Brown, Devonte Smith , Landon Dickerson, Goedert , Lane Johnson , Jordan Mailata, Darius Slay and C.J Gardner Johnson. Jake Elliot is tied for the 2nd highest paid kicker in the league.

hotdogs are $40 bucks  and beers $52 2Lincoln Financial Field

[schroomytunes]

(5 hours ago)Synric Wrote: Fun fact. The Chiefs will be playing 5 players at or over 20m in 2025 while Bengals will be paying 2 maybe 3 depending on Trey Hendrickson.

The Bengals will also likely be cutting or restructuring their 4th, 5th, and 6th highest paid players for 2025 (Rankins, Hubbard, Cappa).

This to me is spot on: This offseason will be huge for the Bengals, I think it can be done with the cuts involved ( Rankins, Hubbard, Cappa, Moss, Volson) thats @ 35 million

Re-sign:

Defense: Hilton, Ossai

Offense: Higgins, Gesicki, Ford, Hudson, Herbert, Kirkland

ST's: Rehkow, Adomitis, Bachie

- Higgins is really the only big ticket guy on our FA's that will cost more than 10 million, I think we can restructure Burrow's contract to make the big 4 a team to build around (Trey, Chase,Tee, JoeyB)  It's the dead weight contracts that have killed us and its where by the cuts we can allocate elsewhere

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 01:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: From looking at their big hitters, here's primarily how...

Jalen Hurts signed for $51 mill APY but he got 4 added VOID years tacked on to spread that cap hit across more seasons. He doesn't have a cap hit of $50+ mill for any season he's actually under contract because of this.

AJ Brown same kinda deal. Signed for $32 mill APY but 4 voided years to spread the hit over.

Lane Johnson same.

So this is the way.
Kick the can down the road in order to load the team and win now.

I won't speak for all fans, but it is my belief our team will never have a shot at greatness if our ownership refuses to take risk. For me, I wish they would take additional risk but understand while they don't go the path of teams like the Eagles who mortgaged their future immensely. 

Some say, but the Eagles may win it all. True, but it is not the cap management, they hit big time in the draft. The draft helps keep the cap and cash spend down. On the other end of the spectrum the Saints are in cap hell (like Eagles will be in years to come) and they can't field a talented roster.

It is my hope the Bengals adapt and use more of the kick the can down the road to build a win now team. They don't have to do it fully, but their current model it appears they have played it too safe, trusted some players to develop and banked on better results in the draft. If our FO is aggressive in FO to fix the trenches, it may take kicking teh can down the road. The million-dollar question becomes will the Bengals use void years and cash bonuses more frequently in 2025?

This fan sure hopes they do because yes we have holes, but aggressive FA can fix the holes, cutting vets who have not performed has to be an option.