Trey Hendrickson Update

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 05:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I would need more from Detroit or any team projected to be in top 15% record wise in 2025. A 1st from them is closer to a second round pick.

Who does Detroit have for Guards. I might go a second round pick as long as they threw in one of their starting OGs. 

[Bengalbug]

(Yesterday, 05:53 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Who does Detroit have for Guards. I might go a second round pick as long as they threw in one of their starting OGs. 

Their (stud, HOF trajectory) center just retired. They are not going to reduce that line anymore than it already is.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 10:04 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Their (stud, HOF trajectory) center just retired.  They are not going to reduce that line anymore than it already is.

Yep, their plan is to move Rutledge to center. But the Detroit FO is just awesome. Imagine that, banking on a rookie 2nd round pick starting immediately.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 05:51 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Did you actually want me to answer the question you asked me of why it could be a negative, or were you just setting up this unproductive asshole response? This is why I considered for about 5 minutes not even responding to your post in the first place before giving you the benefit of the doubt (apparently wrongly) and trying to respond in good faith.

Again, as i was reading, i was thinking 'fantastic post with tons of factual in-depth info' and i knew it was all for naught...

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 05:51 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Did you actually want me to answer the question you asked me of why it could be a negative, or were you just setting up this unproductive asshole response? This is why I considered for about 5 minutes not even responding to your post in the first place before giving you the benefit of the doubt (apparently wrongly) and trying to respond in good faith.

I responded to your response so not sure what the issue is. Based on your response, it did appear you think you are wiser than the FO. Maybe you are, maybe you are not but look closely at your response and easy for one to analyze and see why you feel the way you feel.

It really was not a dig, it was just my interpretation.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 10:43 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Again, as i was reading, i was thinking 'fantastic post with tons of factual in-depth info' and i knew it was all for naught...

LOL

Because I pointed out the obvious and diasagree with his reasoning?????

[*rfaulk34*]

(Today, 12:01 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: LOL

Because I pointed out the obvious and diasagree with his reasoning?????

Because he gave you a great, fact filled answer and you just ignored it and came back with a bad take. And it was CLEARLY a bad take if you disagree with what he posted. Oh, maybe it was your opinion. More on that later...

Look, i'm sure you're a great guy in real life. You built a business and made a great life for yourself. You set up your family for the future. You should be commended for that. I wish i could have done more through the years. You've got me beat there by a mile.

But when it comes to football takes, the only thing i can say is that yours are not very good at all. You back this front office endlessly, despite the way they've cheaped their way through the years and done juuuuuust enough to give fans a competetive team from time to time. They get a franchise QB and shortchange the offensive line. They pinch and scrooge their way through contract negotiations and end up paying more because of it. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel and do things 'their way' and come up short time after time. There are any number of things they could have done different in FA and the draft that would have this team set up better than they are now. You downplay other teams that build teams better and ask questions just so you can ignore them and give the answer you were going to the whole time. 

You go ahead and keep doing you. I'm just going to start ignoring it because there's no logic or common sense to your support of this front office and your thoughts on the team. You and a couple others just shit in the face of common sense, facts, logic and reason and keep regurgitating the same debunked points time after time, page after page. 

It has nothing to do with simple disagreements. It's your right to post what you want. It has everything to do with constant misinformation, ignoring of facts and the contstant spamming support of a front office that doesn't deserve it. Some positive moves, yeah. A shit ton of mismanagement and mom and pop mentality in a corporate world? You're damn right. I support the players on the team, i'm there every week tuned in cheering for a win, buy the merch, go to games, read all the articles but i'll be damned if i'm gonna support the front office of this team until they make some major changes in their M.O. 

INb4 you start screaming about CoC and personal attacks on your opinions. There's a cute little simile about opinions but i'll skip that and simply say, all opinions are NOT created equal. This world would be a lot nicer if people hadn't forgotten that fact. 

[Stewy]

(Today, 12:01 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: LOL

Because I pointed out the obvious and diasagree with his reasoning?????

(Today, 12:28 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Because he gave you a great, fact filled answer and you just ignored it and came back with a bad take. And it was CLEARLY a bad take if you disagree with what he posted. Oh, maybe it was your opinion. More on that later...

Look, i'm sure you're a great guy in real life. You built a business and made a great life for yourself. You set up your family for the future. You should be commended for that. I wish i could have done more through the years. You've got me beat there by a mile.

But when it comes to football takes, the only thing i can say is that yours are not very good at all. You back this front office endlessly, despite the way they've cheaped their way through the years and done juuuuuust enough to give fans a competetive team from time to time. They get a franchise QB and shortchange the offensive line. They pinch and scrooge their way through contract negotiations and end up paying more because of it. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel and do things 'their way' and come up short time after time. There are any number of things they could have done different in FA and the draft that would have this team set up better than they are now. You downplay other teams that build teams better and ask questions just so you can ignore them and give the answer you were going to the whole time. 

You go ahead and keep doing you. I'm just going to start ignoring it because there's no logic or common sense to your support of this front office and your thoughts on the team. You and a couple others just shit in the face of common sense, facts, logic and reason and keep regurgitating the same debunked points time after time, page after page. 

It has nothing to do with simple disagreements. It's your right to post what you want. It has everything to do with constant misinformation, ignoring of facts and the contstant spamming support of a front office that doesn't deserve it. Some positive moves, yeah. A shit ton of mismanagement and mom and pop mentality in a corporate world? You're damn right. I support the players on the team, i'm there every week tuned in cheering for a win, buy the merch, go to games, read all the articles but i'll be damned if i'm gonna support the front office of this team until they make some major changes in their M.O. 

INb4 you start screaming about CoC and personal attacks on your opinions. There's a cute little simile about opinions but i'll skip that and simply say, all opinions are NOT created equal. This world would be a lot nicer if people hadn't forgotten that fact. 

Really........can you guys just go ahead and get a room....get it over with and save us all by putting an end to your sexual tension.

FFS you both need to shut up.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 05:44 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again you are assuming you know better about the talent available right now than our FO. It is bad business and policy to spend money for the sake of spending money. But more so as I pointed out, they still with 6 weeks from TC have a ton of money left to extend Trey and sign the 2 draft picks and complete the roster.

(Today, 12:00 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I responded to your response so not sure what the issue is. Based on your response, it did appear you think you are wiswr than the FO. Maybe you are, maybe you are not but look closely at your response and easy for one to analyze and see why you feel the way you feel.

It really was not a dig, it was just my interpretation.

The issue is that you blandly dismissed every word he said, and stuck with your tunnel vision view of the somehow infallible FO doing what is absolutely right. Re-read the post that you responded to and consider what he was pointing out. Other teams are able to pack a lot more talent on their rosters, while being constrained by the very same salary cap as the Bengals.  

[Sled21]

(8 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: The issue is that you blandly dismissed every word he said, and stuck with your tunnel vision view of the somehow infallible FO doing what is absolutely right. Re-read the post that you responded to and consider what he was pointing out. Other teams are able to pack a lot more talent on their rosters, while being constrained by the very same salary cap as the Bengals.  

You guys are blandly dismissing every word he says as well, and are stuck in your tunnel vision view of the always fallible FO doing what is absolutely wrong. 
Did you ever stop to think that other teams have the same salary cap to deal with, but have vastly richer owners who can more easily put the guaranteed cash in escrow accounts? The Browns are nowhere near as rich as most other NFL owners. Even though they all have to spend the same percentage of the cap on player's contracts, coming up with liquid assets is likely harder for them than it is the Krafts, Jones, Hunts, etc. 
Everybody has an opinion and his is as good as yours or Faulks or anyone else's. I swear, some of you guys hate the Brown family so much I really don't even understand why you root for this team.

[TecmoBengals]

(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: I swear, some of you guys hate the Brown family so much I really don't even understand why you root for this team.

How do you not recognize this is just an emotional charged argument rooted in nothing because some fans approach their fandom differently than you? It's a total thought-control type of statement that people should engage their fandom the way you want. If it's a simple matter of you truly not understanding, it isn't that hard to narrow down the reasoning: people have high standards for the teams they follow, this is a message board with free flowing ideas, and people are uniquely different. These are just some reasons why it is easy to get the "why" behind people having a strong disliking for the Brown family approach to running an NFL team.

You've recently posted that you're not as supportive of Trey. He is member of the Cincinnati Bengals. Using your own logic, I could claim that if you aren't pro-Trey, one of the guys we actually watch on Sundays, as opposed to ownership, then "I don't even understand why you root for this team." I wouldn't make that statement because it's nonsensical. I'm guessing you're already swirling thoughts around as to why it's different to oppose the player and not the ownership when the only difference is owners have longevity with a franchise that exceeds the player's time with the team.

Fine, whatever, think people are total dumbasses for disliking the Brown family way of doing NFL business, but's not hard to understand.

[SunsetBengal]

(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: You guys are blandly dismissing every word he says as well, and are stuck in your tunnel vision view of the always fallible FO doing what is absolutely wrong. 
Did you ever stop to think that other teams have the same salary cap to deal with, but have vastly richer owners who can more easily put the guaranteed cash in escrow accounts? The Browns are nowhere near as rich as most other NFL owners. Even though they all have to spend the same percentage of the cap on player's contracts, coming up with liquid assets is likely harder for them than it is the Krafts, Jones, Hunts, etc. 
Everybody has an opinion and his is as good as yours or Faulks or anyone else's. I swear, some of you guys hate the Brown family so much I really don't even understand why you root for this team.

Here's the thing, they don't need to be the wealthiest owners in the league, in order to achieve apex level cap and roster management. They need to be doing more to attract outside investment into the team, that is where they will find the liquid cash that seems to be lacking.

[Soonerpeace]

(6 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: Here's the thing, they don't need to be the wealthiest owners in the league, in order to achieve apex level cap and roster management. They need to be doing more to attract outside investment into the team, that is where they will find the liquid cash that seems to be lacking.

Absolutely but they aren’t opening the books 

[Whatever]

(6 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: Here's the thing, they don't need to be the wealthiest owners in the league, in order to achieve apex level cap and roster management. They need to be doing more to attract outside investment into the team, that is where they will find the liquid cash that seems to be lacking.

They've sold some naming rights and such, to be fair, which they stubbornly refused to do in the past.

They won't sell shares of the team, nor should they.  Yes, they would receive a quick injection of cash, but in exchange for a lower share of the team profits going forward, only making the liquid asset problem worse in future years.  And with revenue continuing to climb steadily, they would lose big in the long run.

[Soonerpeace]

(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: You guys are blandly dismissing every word he says as well, and are stuck in your tunnel vision view of the always fallible FO doing what is absolutely wrong. 
Did you ever stop to think that other teams have the same salary cap to deal with, but have vastly richer owners who can more easily put the guaranteed cash in escrow accounts? The Browns are nowhere near as rich as most other NFL owners. Even though they all have to spend the same percentage of the cap on player's contracts, coming up with liquid assets is likely harder for them than it is the Krafts, Jones, Hunts, etc. 
Everybody has an opinion and his is as good as yours or Faulks or anyone else's. I swear, some of you guys hate the Brown family so much I really don't even understand why you root for this team.

Very fair but historically do you get the feeling that the Brown’s reputation of being cheap is unwarranted? Really it comes down to being more conservative than cheap. Burrow, Tee, and Chase say hi. I’ve used this analogy several times. The Brown’s are like a poker player in your group. He folds all the time but when he’s got a really good hand he’s all in. This causes everybody to fold. So he never loses much at poker night but seldom wins much either. 

[Luvnit2]

(8 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: The issue is that you blandly dismissed every word he said, and stuck with your tunnel vision view of the somehow infallible FO doing what is absolutely right. Re-read the post that you responded to and consider what he was pointing out. Other teams are able to pack a lot more talent on their rosters, while being constrained by the very same salary cap as the Bengals.  

Why am I nt permitted to express my opinion on an opinion based board? Sorry, but I don't agree with you or others who blatently trash the FO. I don't buy or agree with all of the arguments. 

You call it tunnel vision, yet ignore why I disagree. What does that say for you and others.

Last, I am nt going tso be bullied to join your negative circle jerk against the FO, I should not have to defend my thoughts to a modrerator who shares a different opinion. Very disappointing to be treated this way.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(Yesterday, 03:30 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I feel like the Bengals have already done a good number of reworked deals for most of these backup/fringe guys to save money at this point.
Bengals have the 8th most cap space in the league right now at $32.6 mill, and they don't have a ton of money tied up in guarantees aside from Burrow, Higgins, and Chase.


There is always a possibility that one of the unexpected fringe guys ends up performing close to these guys and justify knocking them off the roster, but it's really just a matter of saving a mill or two here and there if it does happen.
They should have plenty of money to work with if they really wanted to.

Remember, our functional cap space is gonna be around $9 mil less than whatever figure is bouncing around on OTC/spotrac. 

You have to count 53 instead of 51 (+$2 mil-ish), you have to count the practice squad (+$3-$4 mil), you have to count guys on IR (All, over $1 mil), and you have to remember Stewart and Knight are signed yet, so they are not top 51 atm (+$1-2 mil over replacement). 

Our REAL cap space is more like $22-$23. 

And remember, those rewoeked deals did not save us much, cap wise. Volson's cap hit went from $3.8 to $3.1. Moss's a little more savings, but he is still $3.1 as well, and I *think* hexwas right around $4 mil to start. 

Point being, we could have saved twice what we did by cutting one of them. And we could still net nearly $2.5 mil by cutting Volson. 

I agree that now, we are unlikely to cut either after the renegotiations, but it is just bad cap management to pay RB3-4 and OG 4, who are just barely aboce practice squad level, over $6 mil a year. 

It is even sillier when you draw a line in the sand with the best pass rushing DE in the league. Sure, in a perfect world, I'd like to keep everyone for better depth. But if I have to choose, I would need to think hard, or long. Pay Trey, move on from the overpriced, underperforming depth. 

Heck, if I could turn that Moss/Volson $$ into a reliable starter level player elsewhere (Hernandez, Risner, Scherff, Blackmon) I think that would have been money much better spent. Don't you? 

[Luvnit2]

(Today, 12:28 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Because he gave you a great, fact filled answer and you just ignored it and came back with a bad take. And it was CLEARLY a bad take if you disagree with what he posted. Oh, maybe it was your opinion. More on that later...

Look, i'm sure you're a great guy in real life. You built a business and made a great life for yourself. You set up your family for the future. You should be commended for that. I wish i could have done more through the years. You've got me beat there by a mile.

But when it comes to football takes, the only thing i can say is that yours are not very good at all. You back this front office endlessly, despite the way they've cheaped their way through the years and done juuuuuust enough to give fans a competetive team from time to time. They get a franchise QB and shortchange the offensive line. They pinch and scrooge their way through contract negotiations and end up paying more because of it. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel and do things 'their way' and come up short time after time. There are any number of things they could have done different in FA and the draft that would have this team set up better than they are now. You downplay other teams that build teams better and ask questions just so you can ignore them and give the answer you were going to the whole time. 

You go ahead and keep doing you. I'm just going to start ignoring it because there's no logic or common sense to your support of this front office and your thoughts on the team. You and a couple others just shit in the face of common sense, facts, logic and reason and keep regurgitating the same debunked points time after time, page after page. 

It has nothing to do with simple disagreements. It's your right to post what you want. It has everything to do with constant misinformation, ignoring of facts and the contstant spamming support of a front office that doesn't deserve it. Some positive moves, yeah. A shit ton of mismanagement and mom and pop mentality in a corporate world? You're damn right. I support the players on the team, i'm there every week tuned in cheering for a win, buy the merch, go to games, read all the articles but i'll be damned if i'm gonna support the front office of this team until they make some major changes in their M.O. 

INb4 you start screaming about CoC and personal attacks on your opinions. There's a cute little simile about opinions but i'll skip that and simply say, all opinions are NOT created equal. This world would be a lot nicer if people hadn't forgotten that fact. 

Sorry, I think you ropinion is wrong and you can persoally attack me and say I am football stupid, but I have an opinion far different from yours. You are the one that constantly attacks those in the forum who do not feel we have the worst FO in the NFL. So yes I will offer counter points from the FO haters like yourself who think you have all the answers.

[MTBengalsFan]

(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: You guys are blandly dismissing every word he says as well, and are stuck in your tunnel vision view of the always fallible FO doing what is absolutely wrong. 
Did you ever stop to think that other teams have the same salary cap to deal with, but have vastly richer owners who can more easily put the guaranteed cash in escrow accounts? The Browns are nowhere near as rich as most other NFL owners. Even though they all have to spend the same percentage of the cap on player's contracts, coming up with liquid assets is likely harder for them than it is the Krafts, Jones, Hunts, etc. 
Everybody has an opinion and his is as good as yours or Faulks or anyone else's. I swear, some of you guys hate the Brown family so much I really don't even understand why you root for this team.

The Browns are not as wealthy as other owners,  but the salary cap percentage means they should have pocketed between $180-$230 million over each of the last 5 years. Yes, they need money to live, but if they are "frugal" and spend $25 million per year, they would have pocketed well over $500 million, just in the those five years.

As others have previously pointed out, God forbid they sold a 10% share, it would immediately solve any cash problems.

[Timanky12]

(5 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Sorry, I think you ropinion is wrong and you can persoally attack me and say I am football stupid, but I have an opinion far different from yours. You are the one that constantly attacks those in the forum who do not feel we have the worst FO in the NFL. So yes I will offer counter points from the FO haters like yourself who think you have all the answers.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one. I have been criticized for my opinion, but it’s mine.