08-22-2022, 01:58 PM
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Why the **** is Jessie Bates not signed yet?
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08-22-2022, 01:58 PM
(08-22-2022, 01:52 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: He's definitely playing chicken with the wrong franchise because he and his agent know the Bengals MO. I believe that if a player doesn't sign their rookie contract, they have to wait an entire year and re-enter the draft in hopes of getting selected by another team, right? Sounds pretty illogical to me that if that's the case, a player would choose to do that, especially because it could affect his chances of when/where he would get drafted the following year. In my eyes, having Bates is a luxury now. The Bengals are not going to repurpose that $12.9 mill into this season. It would just potentially get rolled into next season. And Hill is looking good enough to handle starting duties unless/until Bates returns. So we should just stop worrying about Bates at this point. If he plays, great for the team. If he doesn't, I think the team can get by.
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. If he can turn this into a playoff appearance, it will be impressive. Sorry for Party Rocking!
08-22-2022, 02:01 PM
(08-22-2022, 01:58 PM)ochocincos Wrote: So we should just stop worrying about Bates at this point. My only worry is he plays and plays half-assed. So then they use the cap space, get poor play, and Hill won't get a chance. I know the conventional thinking is a player wouldn't do that because they're playing for a FA contract, but that convention would have been expected last year too in his contract year and we saw what happened there. ____________________________________________________________
08-22-2022, 02:06 PM
(08-22-2022, 01:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Because we have just signed a bunch of big contracts for players where guaranteed money was no issue. (Waynes, Reader, Hendrickson etc) But that's not what was said. That is just how some people interpret it. How many players become victim of a cap cut because they have a high cap in the last 1-2 years of their contracts and very little dead money? It happens, even to some good players. Now they're having to worry about Free Agency unexpectedly.
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. If he can turn this into a playoff appearance, it will be impressive. Sorry for Party Rocking!
08-22-2022, 02:07 PM
(08-22-2022, 01:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Because we have just signed a bunch of big contracts for players where guaranteed money was no issue. (Waynes, Reader, Hendrickson etc) Football is a violent game all it takes is one bad hit and his career is over. Or all it takes is one false accusation and his career is over. I'm not going to knock a player for looking out for his own best interest.
08-22-2022, 02:11 PM
(08-22-2022, 01:28 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I heard top 3 Safety money is what was offered. Where did you hear below market? All we know is the very low guaranteed amount which was half what the Top 3 were getting, thus my comment below market value - value pertains to both salary & guaranteed money in my mind. Im sure he will be there and to be honest he cant be much worse than he was at times last season and he didnt miss a snap in the offseason and preseason last year.
08-22-2022, 02:13 PM
(08-22-2022, 01:23 PM)Graphicguy Wrote: Was thinking last night watching the game….”how can Bates not want to be a part of what is clearly a team that are having a good time and/or proving themselves?” What evidence do you have that Zac, Burrow or anyone has pleaded with Bates? Only fans who have a difficult time comprehending the situation are acting desperately. His current delay has nothing to do with a new contract.
08-22-2022, 02:14 PM
Can't believe this thread has gone on for this long.
Dude is dead as a doornail. He will play this year then Dax will take his spot. It's over, baby. The boys are just talkin' ball, babyyyy
08-22-2022, 02:15 PM
(08-22-2022, 02:11 PM)casear2727 Wrote: All we know is the very low guaranteed amount which was half what the Top 3 were getting, thus my comment below market value - value pertains to both salary & guaranteed money in my mind. Less gaurenteed money doesnt mean you're making less money. It just means if you are bad and end up getting cut before you finished your contract the team still owes you the gaurenteed portion of the contract. The Bengals like to do gaurenteed money through signing workout and roster bonuses.
08-22-2022, 02:15 PM
(08-22-2022, 02:01 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: My only worry is he plays and plays half-assed. So then they use the cap space, get poor play, and Hill won't get a chance. I know the conventional thinking is a player wouldn't do that because they're playing for a FA contract, but that convention would have been expected last year too in his contract year and we saw what happened there. We definitely got the impression AJ Green seemed distracted and/or worried about injury at various times throughout the year he was tagged. And that was $18 million compared to "just" $12.9 mill. It's unfortunately a risk you take when you decide to tag a player.
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. If he can turn this into a playoff appearance, it will be impressive. Sorry for Party Rocking!
08-22-2022, 02:16 PM
(08-22-2022, 01:52 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: He's definitely playing chicken with the wrong franchise because he and his agent know the Bengals MO. Im not sure why this is so difficult? Bates is NOT playing chicken right now - negotiations are over. We cant even discuss a new contract until after the season, his current delay is injury prevention only. And there is no doubt that Bates can get better terms elsewhere, we simply were not going to pay that with our other priorities. He will e here and all will be fine. Dax has shown to be a player one year with Bates will be all he needs.
08-22-2022, 02:19 PM
(08-22-2022, 01:58 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I believe that if a player doesn't sign their rookie contract, they have to wait an entire year and re-enter the draft in hopes of getting selected by another team, right? That's true, but how is him waiting a year to hope he gets deal from a different from what he's doing now? He could have stated before the draft that he's going to refuse to play for the Bengals if he's drafted by us. I'm worried if he plays for us that he'll half-ass it and mess with team chemistry. You can say they won't repurpose it but if someone becomes available to improve the o-line, I don't think they have a choice.
08-22-2022, 02:23 PM
(08-22-2022, 02:15 PM)Synric Wrote: Less gaurenteed money doesnt mean you're making less money. It just means if you are bad and end up getting cut before you finished your contract the team still owes you the gaurenteed portion of the contract. I know exactly what guaranteed money means and how to spell it (just busting balls). But, I think almost all of us do know this. I also owned a sports media firm for several years and covered the NFL & combines long before cameras were permitted. I also know exactly how the Bengals work, fan since the mid 70's. I also think I know how much the guaranteed portion of the contract impacts Bates decision, he has been very vocal about that aspect. Bates will show up and we will be fine. His next contract is all up to him, I hope he plays lights out. If not, let Dax take some of his snaps and Bates will have to deal with the repercussions.
08-22-2022, 02:38 PM
(08-22-2022, 02:16 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Im not sure why this is so difficult? Bates is NOT playing chicken right now - negotiations are over. We cant even discuss a new contract until after the season, his current delay is injury prevention only. He WAS playing chicken and still is, IMCO, because he thinks he'll get a big deal with us next offseason or sign big with another team, and the only better terms he MIGHT get with another team is more guaranteed money, but will it be more total money? I understand guaranteed is more important to some when thinking about a contract, but playing three years at the fifth highest average safety salary, which is reportedly the minimum of what we offered, means that he'd only have to play three years to get more money than any other safety has guaranteed. I know he could get injured at any point, but you have to take what's probable, which is to not be injured, and just roll with it.
08-22-2022, 02:40 PM
(08-22-2022, 02:19 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: That's true, but how is him waiting a year to hope he gets deal from a different from what he's doing now? You can't repurpose the money though without rescinding the tag. It's basically reserved until he actually signs. The Bengals don't really NEED that cap for this year anyway. They still have $14 mill in cap space. That's plenty to sign a couple new guys while still having some to carry over.
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. If he can turn this into a playoff appearance, it will be impressive. Sorry for Party Rocking!
08-22-2022, 02:42 PM
Not gonna happen but Hill is looking the part.... would love if we could sign and trade him for some O-Line Help.
08-22-2022, 02:42 PM
(08-22-2022, 01:23 PM)Graphicguy Wrote: Was thinking last night watching the game….”how can Bates not want to be a part of what is clearly a team that are having a good time and/or proving themselves?” Don’t know where you are getting your information. Neither Zac or Joe pleading with him. Joe wants him to get paid and Zac stays out of it. The staff and team know his time table.
Romo “ so impressed with Zac ...1 of the best in the NFL… they are just fundamentally sound. Taylor the best winning % in the Playoffs of current coaches. Joe Burrow” Zac is the best head coach in the NFL & that gives me a lot of confidence." Taylor led the Bengals to their first playoff win since 1990, ending the longest active drought in the four major North American sports, en and appeared in Super Bowl LVI, the first since 1988.
08-22-2022, 03:35 PM
08-22-2022, 03:37 PM
(08-22-2022, 02:16 PM)casear2727 Wrote: And there is no doubt that Bates can get better terms elsewhere, Yes there is. Bates did not have a great year in 2021. he would get paid well from other teams, but no team in the league is going to make him one of the highest paid safeties in the league after a down season.
08-22-2022, 03:52 PM
(08-22-2022, 02:07 PM)J24 Wrote: Football is a violent game all it takes is one bad hit and his career is over. Or all it takes is one false accusation and his career is over. I'm not going to knock a player for looking out for his own best interest. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if one gets a career-ending injury don't they still get paid he majority of their contract? It just doens't count against the cap anymore and insurance covers the cost, right? |
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