Bengals fire Lou Anarumo, Frank Pollack, James Bettcher and Marion Hobby

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

Tired of Zac getting credit for the offense . . . whenever you see Joe have to scramble or buy time . . . that means that Zac called a play that did not work and the talented QB and receivers are improvising on the spot.

Worried that it might take a couple of years to get the roster that's needed to truly break away from Lou's zone system.

[XenoMorph]

(01-06-2025, 05:21 PM)TKUHL Wrote: Think they nailed who should be fired. We all knew Zac wasn’t going anywhere regardless. Hope this works out. lol I would literally just draft OL/DL. This team can be elite with solid lines. Make it happen Duke, considering you should have been in with the fires.

yeah but we could be in the playoff with better head coaching decisions this year.

hopefully hes taking a hard look in the mirror at his boneheaded decisions

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(01-06-2025, 05:23 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Tired of Zac getting credit for the offense . . . whenever you see Joe have to scramble or buy time . . . that means that Zac called a play that did not work and the talented QB and receivers are improvising on the spot.

Worried that it might take a couple of years to get the roster that's needed to truly break away from Lou's zone system.

damn. Josh Allen's OC must be garbage

[Luvnit2]

(01-06-2025, 05:20 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: you actually think Allen is better than Burrow? I mean, I can understand Mahomes and even the choke artist Lamar Jackson

I think Burrow is ahead of Allen. Allen only has stuff like size, speed, and arm strength over Burrow. Basically, he's just more impressive from a physical stand point

Does Allen have one of best WR's in football and another true #1 WR to throw to?

Check out Allen's rushing yards and rushing TD's.

Burrow is the best pocket passer in the NFL in my opinion, but Jackson and Allen both bring an RB threat at QB also. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-06-2025, 05:14 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Bengals scored more than 30 points and lost an NFL record 4 times.

If you are going to hate on Zac, averaging almost 30 points a game with offense he calls the play is a poor reason.

5 teams averaged more points than Zac’s, who had a triple crown winner, and a QB who was 1st in yards and TD’s. One of those teams being Washington with a ROOKIE QB, and another in Tampa who had a reclamation project on his 4th team at QB.

But sure, what Zac did with Burrow and Chase was super impressive.

[GodFather]

Thank god, I never thought I would see the day!

[Frank Booth]

(01-06-2025, 05:26 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Does Allen have one of best WR's in football and another true #1 WR to throw to?

Check out Allen's rushing yards and rushing TD's.

Burrow is the best pocket passer in the NFL in my opinion, but Jackson and Allen both bring an RB threat at QB also. 

Josh Allen has an o-line that is top 5 in the league. Burrow's is bottom 3

just ignore that though. And you are clearly fascinated by Allen's athleticism 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-06-2025, 05:25 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: damn. Josh Allen's OC must be garbage

Brady has a well balanced offense.

[Luvnit2]

(01-06-2025, 05:25 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: damn. Josh Allen's OC must be garbage

KC and Ravens also be garbage

Lions have best OL in football and give Goff time to look like a Superstar

Bengals OL had 2 lousy guards and then lost their 2 starting tackles for big chunks of the season. Why did pass plays break down? I guess it was bad play calling. 

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(01-06-2025, 05:29 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Brady has a well balanced offense.

Allen still has to scramble outside the pocket a lot. the other poster said when Burrow does it, it's because Zac made a bad play call. If that is the logic, then Bills oc is as bad as Zac

and theyre a well balanced offense because they have to be. They dont have an elite receiver. I would love a more balanced attack in cincy, but people and fans will be killing Zac if he starts running it more. Zac cant win with this fanbase. 2021 he was getting killed for running it too much

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(01-06-2025, 03:49 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Volson, like Cappa, was pretty limited athletically.
Not only do you see these two getting bullied to bull rush, but they especially get beat on stunts and quick moves that require them to react quickly and on the fly.

I am not sure how much the scheme will entail, but it probably wouldn't hurt to bring on more athletic OL.

For sure, need more athletic O-lineman with strength and better technique on the interior.

I new OL coach can help with the technique, but athleticism and strength cannot really be coached up. Neither can heart.

(01-06-2025, 03:50 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Let’s hope they give the next guy much better to work with.

Billy Price
Jonah Williams
Hakeem Adeniji
Jackson Carman
D’Ante Smith
Cordell Volson
Armarius Mims

I’m not sure even Bill Callahan or Dante Scarnecchia could have developed most of those guys.

Well, I am sure players like that would look a lot better with Bill or Dante. Jonah Williams was the consensus most safe pick in his Draft 
according to most and had a better year this year in Zona. Mims is the only one there that could be great of that bunch though that is 
for sure. Not good picks besides Mims.

Also the proven FA's the FO brought in were better on their previous teams which is a sign of poor coaching.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-06-2025, 05:31 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Allen still has to scramble outside the pocket a lot. the other poster said when Burrow does it, it's because Zac made a bad play call. If that is the logic, than Bills oc is as bad as Zac

and theyre a well balanced offense because they have to be. They dont have an elite receiver. I would love a more balanced attack in cincy, but people and fans will be killing Zac if he starts running it more. Zac cant win with this fanbase. 2021 he was getting killed for running it too much

They lived off explosive plays (mostly from Chase) in 21.

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(01-06-2025, 05:34 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: They lived off explosive plays (mostly from Chase) in 21.

ok? They still ran it a lot more than people wanted them to. I havent forgotten. Zac getting bashed weekly for not throwing it with Burrow more

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(01-06-2025, 04:01 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: No doubt on Pollack, he had a pretty good established line or multiple high picks in Dallas, since then Has not move the needle a d most FAs have played worse  with us.. im sure Joe is happy after avg 49 sacks under Pollack

Yep, polished OL is what Pollack had in Dallas. He cannot develop lesser talent at all. Mims was good this year cause Mims is polished.

A new OL coach that knows how to develop could make a player like Mims All Pro.

Would love to see what a good one could also do with a few new players on the interior.

(01-06-2025, 04:23 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yup. When he became the OL Coach for the Cowboys, they already had 2 1st Team All-Pros (both future HoFers) and 1 2nd Team All-Pro (who would be a future HoFer if a serious medical condition didn't make him retire young) on that OL.

That's actually why I am not super bullish on Ben Johnson like some are. I wonder how he'd be as an HC/OC if he didn't have quite so much talent.

True, also great point on Ben Johnson. If he didn't have maybe the best OL in football along with all that talent who knows what his 
Offense would look like. Sewell, Ragnow, Gibbs, St. Brown, LaPorta, Jameson Williams etc is pretty stacked and Goff is a good QB.

[Stewy]

(01-06-2025, 02:44 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: If we underschieve next year, Duke and ZT are gone, too. 

I don't believe that for a second....especially Duke.

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(01-06-2025, 05:33 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Also the proven FA's the FO brought in were better on their previous teams which is a sign of poor coaching.

This is just not true.

Spain - best year of his career here
Orlando - was having his best season here before he got hurt
Karras - just had his best season as a pass blocker of his career
Reiff - was fine here
Cappa - was good his first season then was derailed by an injury
Collins - sucked here but his back was the reason Dallas released him in the first place
Ford - has played his best ball here

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(01-06-2025, 03:02 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: The Cincinnati Bengals have put up 27.8 points per game this season.
How did you get over 30 points?

He's talking about that stretch of 4 or 5 games where the O put up thirty plus and lost. Started with Washington iirc.

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(01-06-2025, 05:40 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: This is just not true.

Spain - best year of his career here
Orlando - was having his best season here before he got hurt
Karras - just had his best season as a pass blocker of his career
Reiff - was fine here
Cappa - was good his first season then was derailed by an injury
Collins - sucked here but his back was the reason Dallas released him in the first place
Ford - has played his best ball here

dont remind people of that. Theyre convinced Volson is better

once again, I havent forgotten the narrative

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-06-2025, 05:35 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: ok? They still ran it a lot more than people wanted them to. I havent forgotten. Zac getting bashed weekly for not throwing it with Burrow more

The only time I remember that in 21 was when he took the ball out of Burrow’s hands in OT against SF.

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(01-06-2025, 05:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The only time I remember that in 21 was when he took the ball out of Burrow’s hands in OT against SF.

thats you I guess