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(Yesterday, 07:07 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I've always been of the mindset that in order to have a strong defense, you must control the middle of the field. That begins with IDL, ILB and Safety. Sure, having great edge rushers helps, but it you've got boss DTs they'll flush the QB to average DEs. Same with secondary, if you've got great Safety play, then you can get by with average CBs. It's also more cost efficient to go the fundamentals route.
Spot on. The quickest path to the QB is a straight line up the middle. Same with the RB. If the D-Line is backed up by LBs filling the gaps and safeties cleaning up the spills, the scheme works.
I like Fangio's defense, because it attacks downhill. I am really hoping we pursue this guy.
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The Raiders just fired Antonio Pierce . That likely means Marvin Lewis is looking for a new job. If I recall, he used to be a pretty good defensive coordinator
All hopes turn to next year
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(Yesterday, 07:56 PM)pally Wrote: The Raiders just fired Antonio Pierce . That likely means Marvin Lewis is looking for a new job. If I recall, he used to be a pretty good defensive coordinator
I thought of Pierce also. I learned he was never a coordinator or head coach other than high school.
As for ML, I jokingly threw his name out. I am not sure ML has the energy needed to be a great DC.
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(Yesterday, 02:18 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: We had that back in 2015 with Vontaze, Reggie, Adam and the boys. The league and NFL fan community vilified them, when basically they were just imitating the Steelers, good hard football. 
This current Bengals team would kill for a Reggie Nelson right about now. Not sure why you’re lumping him in with Burfict and Pacman.
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(Yesterday, 09:35 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: This current Bengals team would kill for a Reggie Nelson right about now. Not sure why you’re lumping him in with Burfict and Pacman.
Because Reggie wouldn't have been able to play his full role without the other cast doing their parts.
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(Yesterday, 03:02 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So you're thinking that with roughly 2 months to the opening of the 'legal tampering' period, the Bengals will have found the DC they believe in going forward, and that he'll be able to lightning quick find his DL and LBs coaches, evaluate the current personnel, evaluate all of the pending free agents of the class, get everyone (FO included) on the same page heading into free agency and be ready to make solid offers heading into the tampering period?
I really admire your optimism, but I really don't think that the Bengals organization could possibly move that quickly.
I didn’t put anywhere near the thought you are putting into it in terms of a timeline. You seem to be putting words in my mouth that I didn’t say.
The defense sucks.
They need to bring in a great DC to change that.
I’m open to a complete overhaul as a most extreme scenario; realistically this is something that happens over the course of a few years.
I’m open to someone that can develop what’s here into a winning unit as well, but it’s likely the team needs to bring in at least a good corner, safety, and a couple front 7 players.
They need to bring someone in that can evaluate what’s here and keep the good players and build from there.
If he has a different scheme or the same scheme it doesn’t matter to me.
Results are what matters.
We need someone with a clear vision and the ability to bring in talented players to achieve that vision—and the ability to coach up the players to get the most out of them. He’s gotta be great at game planning and play calling as well.
Nothing I said is worth getting bent out of shape over.
As far as the offseason goes I would personally look at the safety and corner from Minnesota that are hitting the market—or other proven secondary players. I’d like some help in the front 7 and at guard in the draft. I wouldn’t mind another high pick at corner or safety.
I think when it comes down to it everyone wants the same thing—for them to get these coaching hires right.
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(9 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I didn’t put anywhere near the thought you are putting into it in terms of a timeline.
One has to consider the timeline when proposing the hiring of a Defensive Coordinator that runs a different scheme than the current personnel were chosen to run. Would Robert Saleh be as successful running a 4-3 defense? I don't know, never seen him put a 4-3 defense on the field, however his 3-4 defenses have been quite effective.
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DC wish list- Saleh, Allen, Staley, Eberflus. Someone proven
O line wish list- Anyone capable of taking pride in protecting our franchise qb. Its criminal at the amount of ineptitude this line has been since Joe was drafted. Football is and always will be won in the trenches
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(7 hours ago)uticabengalfan Wrote: DC wish list- Saleh, Allen, Staley, Eberflus. Someone proven
O line wish list- Anyone capable of taking pride in protecting our franchise qb. Its criminal at the amount of ineptitude this line has been since Joe was drafted. Football is and always will be won in the trenches
Keep Salah as far from Cincinnati as possible. Do not need his stink around the stadium. Dude is clueless
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Sled are you blaming JET's failures on Salah cause his defense was never the problem. What am I missing? And even if you are many failed HC's make great Coordinators.
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49ers positioning to bring Saleh back if he doesn’t get a HC gig so he is probably out.
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(4 hours ago)Au165 Wrote: 49ers positioning to bring Saleh back if he doesn’t get a HC gig so he is probably out.
I don't blame them. Smart move.
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If there is a good time to blow up our defensive scheme, now would be the time. For those who say we have too many 4-3 type players, I say these players suck in a 4-3 so either a change of scenery for them or how much worse can they be in a base 3-4 defense.
Our defensive backs scheme wise would not change a lot, we still use 2 CB's. slot CB and 2 safeties. The inside LB'ers Willson and Pratt would be good inside backers as left territory to cover. The defensive line would need an overhaul, other than that, I don't see us having to overhaul other positions due to scheme.
I am no expert and many in here are so if I am wrong, please educate me.
Our defense is bad, very bad so the question becomes a minor tweak needed or a major one.
2024 may go on record as one of most underperforming teams in Bengal history. Bengal's FO has major work to do on defensive side of the ball. I say tag and trade Tee Higgins in 2025 to start with the rebuild.
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(4 hours ago)Au165 Wrote: 49ers positioning to bring Saleh back if he doesn’t get a HC gig so he is probably out.
They may be. But the SF defense was worse than our defense, so they needed change as well.
2024 may go on record as one of most underperforming teams in Bengal history. Bengal's FO has major work to do on defensive side of the ball. I say tag and trade Tee Higgins in 2025 to start with the rebuild.
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(Yesterday, 07:17 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Spot on. The quickest path to the QB is a straight line up the middle. Same with the RB. If the D-Line is backed up by LBs filling the gaps and safeties cleaning up the spills, the scheme works.
I like Fangio's defense, because it attacks downhill. I am really hoping we pursue this guy.
A 3-4 places bodies more in the middle of the field as well. Yes, one less body at DT, but that body is then 10-15 yards from LOS in pass situations. I always wondered why we use a 4-3 base versus a 3-4.
I hope ZT is at least entertaining the possibility of changing to a base 3-4.
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(3 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: If there is a good time to blow up our defensive scheme, now would be the time. For those who say we have too many 4-3 type players, I say these players suck in a 4-3 so either a change of scenery for them or how much worse can they be in a base 3-4 defense.
Our defensive backs scheme wise would not change a lot, we still use 2 CB's. slot CB and 2 safeties. The inside LB'ers Willson and Pratt would be good inside backers as left territory to cover. The defensive line would need an overhaul, other than that, I don't see us having to overhaul other positions due to scheme.
I am no expert and many in here are so if I am wrong, please educate me.
Our defense is bad, very bad so the question becomes a minor tweak needed or a major one.
Well just getting a new DC is a major one, im sure we will invest a bit more on defense in FA and draft, so really just depends on what DC we hire and what they want to play
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(Yesterday, 08:53 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I thought of Pierce also. I learned he was never a coordinator or head coach other than high school.
As for ML, I jokingly threw his name out. I am not sure ML has the energy needed to be a great DC.
Wasn't Pierce the Raiders DC before becoming the HC midseason?
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