Tee’s market price

[J24]

(01-25-2025, 11:34 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Spotrac has Trey Smith projected for a 4yr/78.8m deal ($19.7m/yr) and Josh Sweat for 3yr/45m ($15m/yr).

I would much rather have Trey Smith and Josh Sweat over Tee Higgins and $6.7m (basically what we'd get from cutting Geno Stone) in cap space.

Spotrac has Tee value at 25 Million per year.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(01-25-2025, 02:22 PM)J24 Wrote: Spotrac has Tee value at 25 Million per year.

If you took the $6.7m in cap space and turned it into $9.7m in cap space, my preference is still exactly the same.

We can get 1 elite and 1 really good player at two positions of incredibly large need for us... or we can re-sign our oft-injured #2 WR and have a couple million left. That's an easy choice for the former.

[*Synric*]

4 years 112 wow ok. If Tee Higgins is going to be getting that kinda love in Free Agency a team is going to have to give up a 2nd round pick for him.

[J24]

(01-25-2025, 02:31 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: If you took the $6.7m in cap space and turned it into $9.7m in cap space, my preference is still exactly the same.

We can get 1 elite and 1 really good player at two positions of incredibly large need for us... or we can re-sign our oft-injured #2 WR and have a couple million left. That's an easy choice for the former.

Bengals can sign Tee and still get those guys(if they cut the guys thier supposed to cut) in free agency. It's not mutually exclusive. Also giving up Tee is giving up an elite player who is critical to the teams success. 

[Whatever]

(01-25-2025, 02:39 PM)Synric Wrote: 4 years 112 wow ok. If Tee Higgins is going to be getting that kinda love in Free Agency a team is going to have to give up a 2nd round pick for him.

Seems high based on what similar players have gotten.

Pittman got $23/per, Collins $24.25, and Smith $25
  Tough to justify $28 for Tee given the injury history.  

[SunsetBengal]

(01-25-2025, 03:00 PM)Whatever Wrote: Seems high based on what similar players have gotten.

Pittman got $23/per, Collins $24.25, and Smith $25
  Tough to justify $28 for Tee given the injury history.  

I'm guessing that they are just inflating to account for the rising salary cap.

[J24]

(01-25-2025, 03:00 PM)Whatever Wrote: Seems high based on what similar players have gotten.

Pittman got $23/per, Collins $24.25, and Smith $25
  Tough to justify $28 for Tee given the injury history.  

Brandin Ayuik just got 30 million per year. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-25-2025, 03:18 PM)J24 Wrote: Brandin Ayuik just got 30 million per year. 

Coming off a 1300 yard season. Tee has never even cracked 1100.

[Soonerpeace]

(01-24-2025, 11:52 PM)jason Wrote: Yeah. They can't afford him. They have to set money back for CTB, Myles Murphy, and the like.

Pay the man.

Ha ha just got on here and went to this subject first and your post. I laughed. Thank you

[J24]

(01-25-2025, 03:23 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Coming off a 1300 yard season. Tee has never even cracked 1100.

So? Are we really not going to sign Tee to a deal because he hasn't reached some arbitrary number? Tee makes this team better and if we lose him its going to hurt this team. Tee was a top 10 WR yards per game, catches per game, first downs per a game, receiving touch downs, and pff grade. Dude deserves to get paid!

[SunsetBengal]

(01-25-2025, 06:09 PM)J24 Wrote: So? Are we really not going to sign Tee to a deal because he hasn't reached some arbitrary number? Tee makes this team better and if we lose him its going to hurt this team. Tee was a top 10 WR yards per game, catches per game, first downs per a game, receiving touch downs, and pff grade. Dude deserves to get paid!

I wouldn't say because he hasn't reached some arbitrary number, but maybe because he's averaged 5 games on the IR the past couple of years. That hamstring issue seems to be chronic, it's going to keep showing up and hampering him every year.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-25-2025, 06:09 PM)J24 Wrote: So? Are we really not going to sign Tee to a deal because he hasn't reached some arbitrary number? Tee makes this team better and if we lose him its going to hurt this team. Tee was a top 10 WR yards per game, catches per game, first downs per a game, receiving touch downs, and pff grade. Dude deserves to get paid!

Ok so stats don’t matter, availability doesn’t matter, just pay him, right?! Doesn’t work like that.

I’m all for keeping him if he’s willing to take a Pittman like deal (maybe a little more), but you have to draw a line somewhere. $28 million seems a bit rich to me for a 1k yard WR.

[SunsetBengal]

(01-25-2025, 06:26 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Ok so stats don’t matter, availability doesn’t matter, just pay him, right?! Doesn’t work like that.

I’m all for keeping him if he’s willing to take a Pittman like deal (maybe a little more), but you have to draw a line somewhere. $28 million seems a bit rich to me for a 1k yard WR.

With the need for better Guards on the OL and the collective need for better defense, I'm beginning to think that the idea of even re-signing Higgins is just some pipe dream.

[t3r3e3]

(01-25-2025, 03:00 PM)Whatever Wrote: Seems high based on what similar players have gotten.

Pittman got $23/per, Collins $24.25, and Smith $25
  Tough to justify $28 for Tee given the injury history.  

Looking at these in a vacuum your point has merit. However, the cap is going up 20 mill, and Tee is the highest rated WR on the market. He’s gonna get paid more than those guys, and it’s really only egregious if he’s compared to Nico Collins. The Brown family screwed the pooch doing the circle jerk and not locking down Chase last offseason. Now Jamar gets more, and so will Tee.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(01-25-2025, 02:48 PM)J24 Wrote: Bengals can sign Tee and still get those guys(if they cut the guys thier supposed to cut) in free agency. It's not mutually exclusive. Also giving up Tee is giving up an elite player who is critical to the teams success. 

And if they cut the guys they're supposed to cut, they can sign those guys AND even more guys at position of need instead of Tee. $25-28m/yr for your #2 WR who will play ~55% of the offensive snaps is not a good way to build a team.

Tee is not an elite player. I'm sorry. He's a very good player with iffy availability. There's no such thing as a 0x Pro Bowl, 0x All-Pro, #2 WR playing ~55-65% of the snaps who is elite, and Tee isn't going to suddenly stop getting a hamstring injury every single year, play more snaps than he ever has in his career, and put up 500 yards more than he did in his current career high (that was 4 years ago) to suddenly become elite.

[Luvnit2]

I have been back and forth on Tee. I think 23 million a year for 4 years with 58million guaranteed is doable if he would take it and if the team would get creative with the cap. They can sign their own free agents now I believe. For example, we just signed the huge FA Cam Grandy.

The team has options, one being find a trade partner and tag and trade him if they can't come up with a deal. If I knew they could sign RG Smith from KC I would be more inclined to attempt to get multiple draft picks for Tee in the 2025 draft.

I would not be thrilled if we just let him leave in 2025 with only getting a 2026 compensatory 3rd round pick.

[J24]

(01-25-2025, 06:24 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I wouldn't say because he hasn't reached some arbitrary number, but maybe because he's averaged 5 games on the IR the past couple of years. That hamstring issue seems to be chronic, it's going to keep showing up and hampering him every yethto

He's never been on IR during his career

(01-25-2025, 06:26 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Ok so stats don’t matter, availability doesn’t matter, just pay him, right?! Doesn’t work like that.

I’m all for keeping him if he’s willing to take a Pittman like deal (maybe a little more), but you have to draw a line somewhere. $28 million seems a bit rich to me for a 1k yard WR.

I just gave you 5 stats that showed you that he was a top 10 player. You used 1 stat to say he isn't worth a contract.

(01-25-2025, 06:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: And if they cut the guys they're supposed to cut, they can sign those guys AND even more guys at position of need instead of Tee. $25-28m/yr for your #2 WR who will play ~55% of the offensive snaps is not a good way to build a team.

Tee is not an elite player. I'm sorry. He's a very good player with iffy availability. There's no such thing as a 0x Pro Bowl, 0x All-Pro, #2 WR playing ~55-65% of the snaps who is elite, and Tee isn't going to suddenly stop getting a hamstring injury every single year, play more snaps than he ever has in his career, and put up 500 yards more than he did in his current career high (that was 4 years ago) to suddenly become elite.

1.) Who are you signing that will give us the same or better value then Tee?

2.) So we are  now using a glorified popularity contest to sign a player?

Here's why you sign Tee

1.) Burrow wants him back!

2.) Our offense is better with him than without him!

2b.) Our team is better with him than without him 

3 .) Chase puts up better numbers with him then without him.

3b.) Chase wants him back.

Arguments for not signing Tee

His Hamstring!

[SunsetBengal]

(01-25-2025, 07:29 PM)J24 Wrote: 1.) Who are you signing that will give us the same or better value then Tee?

Kyle Pitts, less than half of the money for equal or better production.

[*michaelsean*]

Remember when you are calculating cap savings, all those guys you are cutting to make cap space have to be replaced.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-25-2025, 07:29 PM)J24 Wrote: I just gave you 5 stats that showed you that he was a top 10 player. You used 1 stat to say he isn't worth a contract.

I literally said I’d like him back at the right price. But you can’t just hand wave away the availability concerns (like trying to downplay it by saying he’s never been on IR). We’re talking about a player who on average only plays 74% on the snaps. That has to be factored in.