Tee’s market price

[J24]

(01-25-2025, 06:24 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I wouldn't say because he hasn't reached some arbitrary number, but maybe because he's averaged 5 games on the IR the past couple of years. That hamstring issue seems to be chronic, it's going to keep showing up and hampering him every year.

(01-25-2025, 07:45 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Kyle Pitts, less than half of the money for equal or better production.

You would have to give up a draft pick( I imagine day 2) + A significant contract  extension. He's also averages 22 yards less per a game than Tee has in his career. Definitely not an upgrade over Tee.

[Frank Booth]

lmao I love how people just start being dishonest when talking about Tee. Oh he barely cracks 1k, he never made a pro bowl, he isnt top 10 etc.. I mean, it's true, but it lacks context and the full picture. Sounds a lot like when Bates and Reader werent gonna get re-signed, and people started to sing similar tunes.

Truth is he is injury prone and signing him for big bucks would be irresponsible. But the dude is a stud when healthy

[SunsetBengal]

(01-25-2025, 07:55 PM)J24 Wrote: You would have to give up a draft pick( I imagine day 2) + A significant contract  extension. He's also averages 22 yards less per a game than Tee has in his career. Definitely not an upgrade over Tee.

He's averaged that in Atlanta's offense. How would he fair in a Joe Burrow offense? I think that it's a deal and worth the draft pick. You seem to be stuck in some 2021-2022 vision of Higgins and want to ignore that he now has a chronic injury issue.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(01-25-2025, 07:53 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I literally said I’d like him back at the right price. But you can’t just hand wave away the availability concerns (like trying to downplay it by saying he’s never been on IR). We’re talking about a player who on average only plays 74% on the snaps. That has to be factored in.

That's 74% of the snaps of the games he's actually playing. So if a player played only 10 games but they played 100% of the snaps in those 10 games, their personal page would show them at 100%. That specific spot doesn't include games he missed reducing his %. 

A good example is...
Erick All played 9 games, and in those 9 games he played 231 offensive snaps, which was 42% of the snaps in those 9 games.
Mike Gesicki played 17 games, in those 17 games he played 523 offensive snaps, which was 46% of the snaps in those 17 games.
...but when you're looking at out of the whole season's snaps, Erick All is actually at 20.32% of the offensive snaps while Gesicki is still at 46.00%.

You need to look at a the list of the team's players snap counts for that year to get the % out of the full possible amount. 

Tee Higgins career offensive snap counts by %..
2020: 74.81%
2021: 64.60%
2022: 68.38%
2023: 52.67%
2024: 55.94%
For an actual average of 62.28%. (60.40% over the last 4 years, 59.00% over the last 3 years, 54.31% over the last 2 years)

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(01-25-2025, 07:57 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: lmao I love how people just start being dishonest when talking about Tee. Oh he barely cracks 1k, he never made a pro bowl, he isnt top 10 etc.. I mean, it's true, but it lacks context and the full picture. Sounds a lot like when Bates and Reader werent gonna get re-signed, and people started to sing similar tunes.

Truth is he is injury prone and signing him for big bucks would be irresponsible. But the dude is a stud when healthy

I love how you ignored the fact that I was only pointing out that he's not "elite" as was claimed, not ever claiming that he isn't very good. I have never disputed that he's very good when he's healthy, but very good isn't elite. Heck, he could be a top-20 or top-25 WR, but that's still not elite. I don't think AJ Green ever quite reached elite status and he was very very good. I wouldn't have said that Chase was elite before 2024 but now I will gladly call him elite, and I am not going to put Tee in the same category as Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson.

[Frank Booth]

(01-25-2025, 08:15 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I love how you ignored the fact that I was only pointing out that he's not "elite" as was claimed, not ever claiming that he isn't very good. I have never disputed that he's very good when he's healthy, but very good isn't elite. Heck, he could be a top-20 or top-25 WR, but that's still not elite. I don't think AJ Green ever quite reached elite status and he was very very good. I wouldn't have said that Chase was elite before 2024 but now I will gladly call him elite, and I am not going to put Tee in the same category as Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson.

tee is most certainly top 20 when healthy. This is what im talking about

and then you say Green wasnt elite. Enough, bro. Green was elite for a 3 year stretch

[*bfine32*]

(01-25-2025, 08:32 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: tee is most certainly top 20 when healthy. This is what im talking about

and then you say Green wasnt elite. Enough, bro. Green was elite for a 3 year stretch

I guess we must understand the difference between Elite and Very Very Good

Perhaps elite is the same as Very, Very, Very good

[*Synric*]

I'll still be here waiting for that Jessie Bates replacement the fanbase told me was easy...

[Frank Booth]

(01-25-2025, 08:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I guess we must understand the difference between Elite and Very Very Good

Perhaps elite is the same as Very, Very, Very good

AJ Green was widley considered a top 5 wr for 3 years

[Frank Booth]

(01-25-2025, 08:38 PM)Synric Wrote: I'll still be here waiting for that Jessie Bates replacement the fanbase told me was easy...

Bates want even that good anyways

[pulses]

(01-25-2025, 08:38 PM)Synric Wrote: I'll still be here waiting for that Jessie Bates replacement the fanbase told me was easy...

I like Watts and Mukuba in this draft. Either one I'd be happy with.

[pulses]

(01-25-2025, 08:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He's averaged that in Atlanta's offense. How would he fair in a Joe Burrow offense? I think that it's a deal and worth the draft pick. You seem to be stuck in some 2021-2022 vision of Higgins and want to ignore that he now has a chronic injury issue.

I'd do it. Pitts would flourish in this offense and he doesn't have the injury issues that Tee has.

[*Synric*]

(01-25-2025, 08:49 PM)pulses Wrote: I like Watts and Mukuba in this draft. Either one I'd be happy with.

Same I would be fine with either of these guys at #49. Both are post safeties that aren't afraid to run the alley. Xavier Watts experience with Golden's defense would help tremendously though. 

[samhain]

(01-25-2025, 08:48 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Bates want even that good anyways

Garbage player.  Easily replaced.  Or so I've been told.

[J24]

(01-25-2025, 06:24 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I wouldn't say because he hasn't reached some arbitrary number, but maybe because he's averaged 5 games on the IR the past couple of years. That hamstring issue seems to be chronic, it's going to keep showing up and hampering him every year.

(01-25-2025, 08:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He's averaged that in Atlanta's offense. How would he fair in a Joe Burrow offense? I think that it's a deal and worth the draft pick. You seem to be stuck in some 2021-2022 vision of Higgins and want to ignore that he now has a chronic injury issue.

Tee averaged 75 yards per a game which is 9th per game this season,  tied for 6th in TD receptions with 10, and was the  7th best WR in football according to PFF.  I'm not stuck in 2022( which is funny coming from someone who wants to resign BJ Hill, Mike Hilton, and Sam Hubbard)  I'm stuck in the present.
Tee has never been on IR and he doesn't have a career threatening injury. His injury history has been frustrating but it shouldn't keep him out of getting a future contract with us.

[SunsetBengal]

(01-25-2025, 09:21 PM)J24 Wrote: Tee averaged 75 yards per a game which is 9th per game this season,  tied for 6th in TD receptions with 10, and was the  7th best WR in football according to PFF.  I'm not stuck in 2022( which is funny coming from someone who wants to resign BJ Hill, Mike Hilton, and Sam Hubbard)  I'm stuck in the present.
Tee has never been on IR and he doesn't have a career threatening injury. His injury history has been frustrating but it shouldn't keep him out of getting a future contract with us.

So, what are the Bengals supposed to do if Tee's hamstring decides to flare up right before the playoffs, rather than in the middle of the season? And yes, I do want the team to re-sign Mike Hilton and BJ Hill to short deals. I never said a word about Hubbard, other than Murphy isn't capable of filling his shoes, I think that Hubbard likely plays out his last year and the Bengals keep looking for that replacement.

[Frank Booth]

(01-25-2025, 09:21 PM)J24 Wrote: Tee averaged 75 yards per a game which is 9th per game this season,  tied for 6th in TD receptions with 10, and was the  7th best WR in football according to PFF.  I'm not stuck in 2022( which is funny coming from someone who wants to resign BJ Hill, Mike Hilton, and Sam Hubbard)  I'm stuck in the present.
Tee has never been on IR and he doesn't have a career threatening injury. His injury history has been frustrating but it shouldn't keep him out of getting a future contract with us.

Im all aboard the dont re-sign Tee train, but he's been a top 20 receiver in this league for a while now. Certainly in both 21 and 22, and like you mentioned, top 10 in yards per game, and 6th in touchdowns despite only playing 11/12 games in 2024.

Tee is really damn good. The people here always do this when the team is about to move on from a player

"ohh he isnt that good" "ohhh he is overrated"

it's nonsense. People need to be more aware

[samhain]

(01-25-2025, 09:42 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Im all aboard the dont re-sign Tee train, but he's been a top 20 receiver in this league for a while now. Certainly in both 21 and 22, and like you mentioned, top 10 in yards per game, and 6th in touchdowns despite only playing 11/12 games in 2024.

Tee is really damn good. The people here always do this when the team is about to move on from a player

"ohh he isnt that good" "ohhh he is overrated"

it's nonsense. People need to be more aware

They've forgone re-signing several key players from the Super Bowl team.  Tee's situation is what it is.  Logically, you might want to avoid putting that much money into 2 receivers.  That's all well and good, but at what point do you decide that a player is worth retaining?  Tee is a known.  So is Ja'marr.  

We've been told for years that they were letting guys go to keep other ones one the team.  Who exactly are these other ones?  When do they decide to actually commit to a player that has contributed?  

If I thought not keeping Tee meant a serious commitment to competently improve other parts of the team, then I'd be okay with it.  I'm not so sure.  I'd rather keep the known that let him go and trust this FO to direct the money to other resources.

[samhain]

(01-25-2025, 09:36 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, what are the Bengals supposed to do if Tee's hamstring decides to flare up right before the playoffs, rather than in the middle of the season? And yes, I do want the team to re-sign Mike Hilton and BJ Hill to short deals. I never said a word about Hubbard, other than Murphy isn't capable of filling his shoes, I think that Hubbard likely plays out his last year and the Bengals keep looking for that replacement.

If this team signed an outside player of Tee's caliber, even with the injury history, we would be absolutely overjoyed.  

If they let him go and sign anything less than an elite defensive or OL free agent, then it's a failure.  Do you think that the outcome of cutting bait with Tee will facilitate that?  

[Frank Booth]

(01-25-2025, 10:34 PM)samhain Wrote: They've forgone re-signing several key players from the Super Bowl team.  Tee's situation is what it is.  Logically, you might want to avoid putting that much money into 2 receivers.  That's all well and good, but at what point do you decide that a player is worth retaining?  Tee is a known.  So is Ja'marr.  

We've been told for years that they were letting guys go to keep other ones one the team.  Who exactly are these other ones?  When do they decide to actually commit to a player that has contributed?  

If I thought not keeping Tee meant a serious commitment to competently improve other parts of the team, then I'd be okay with it.  I'm not so sure.  I'd rather keep the known that let him go and trust this FO to direct the money to other resources.

They made a mistake with Bates. Doesn’t mean they have to re-sign everyone to atone for their sin. Should’ve kept Bates and let tee leave