Lucas Patrick

[jj22]

(Yesterday, 06:52 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Do you have a source for who brought him in or is another one of your rants.

I have my concerns as well, but just because they are not getting your guy(s) does not end of our season.

Just highlighting the connection and the correlation with the Bengals FO playing it safe with familiarity. 

It doesn’t have to be a name I know. There’s a sense a FA signing has to be someone we know but only because we don’t trust the FO to do exactly what they are going to have to do going forward. Find gems in FA on the cheap. 

This is equally important as the draft. If this is a rant it’s connected to my disappointment that they didn’t do anything with the scout department (additions) to acknowledge the importance of getting this right. 

[Luvnit2]

(11 hours ago)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: They still need 2 starting caliber guards. If you're going to go all out on the offense, hey you might as well go all out. What's the point of having weapons if your QB is constantly flushed out of the pocket? There are some weaknesses that you just can't paper over. 

Patrick was a fine acquisition. Nothing wrong with signing competition for Lee as the primary backup at center. I'm hoping he can help with the runs. 

I have heard no definitive plans to mover Karras, but if so, why would he not be the backup for center.

I will wait and see how he plays before I totally dismiss him a good piece to our OL. I am also interested to see the Bengals draft plan unfold in about 5 weeks.  Some don't like the convert an OT to guard in year one. But I do remember a 2nd round OT named Whittworth who converted and did very well until he won the LT job.

I think Conerly is an OT who may be there in round 2 for us. Many experts think he is a very good guard prospect who could also develop into a solid OT.. There is Jackson who played LT and guard at OSU and others. I just don't think we can pass on the the best safety in the draft or not invest on defense with pick #17.

I agree with others, lots of guys we could target at 23 to 30 also if we can find a trade partner to give us a 2nd round and their 1st round pick to trade down.

[Luvnit2]

(10 hours ago)jj22 Wrote: Just highlighting the connection and the correlation with the Bengals FO playing it safe with familiarity. 

It doesn’t have to be a name I know. There’s a sense a FA signing has to be someone we know but only because we don’t trust the FO to do exactly what they are going to have to do going forward. Find gems in FA on the cheap. 

This is equally important as the draft. If this is a rant it’s connected to my disappointment that they didn’t do anything with the scout department (additions) to acknowledge the importance of getting this right. 

How do your rants help the FO get it right? I understand some level of frustration but maybe I am wrong, but it seems anything they do you rant immediatey it is wrong.

[jj22]

Well I mean they could have been shook up the scout department. Heads should have rolled when we couldn’t draft an Oline after a decade of trying.

How long do I have to wait to rant…

[Luvnit2]

(10 hours ago)jj22 Wrote: Well I mean they could have been shook up the scout department. Heads should have rolled when we couldn’t draft an Oline after a decade of trying.

How long do I have to wait to rant…

You can rant all you like. You control you.

[jj22]

And they been playing it safe with familiarity for years too. Still having Alexander scout for free..

Taking advantage of elder labor laws with McNally still trying to help eye talent and coaches.

[pulses]

(11 hours ago)NATI BENGALS Wrote: High draft pick at one G spot then Ford, Volson or Lucas at the other?

Patrick will start over Volson and Ford. Better numbers of the three. they need to sign another veteran tho.

[Joelist]

Relax. Patrick is giving us veteran depth in the guard room along with Ford. I still expect another Guard pickup plus an early pick.

[BengalsBong]

(Yesterday, 08:18 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He likely could, but do the Bengals want to risk another try on an injured OL?

This. We need guard help now if we had a year to coach him up at the position then converting a OT to G would be ok.

But we don't have that year so if the guy has not played the guard spot on the same side as we are drafting him to fill then I pass.

I want to guy ready at his guard spot without learning new footwork or switching hands up according to left or right side.

A swing guard with exp. at LG and RG would be ideal.

[Joelist]

(Yesterday, 01:52 PM)jj22 Wrote: We said the same thing about Jenkins and Williams.....

Here's the truth. Burrow isn't much different given he likes to hold the ball extra long.... He does have better pocket presence then the two mentioned, but what percentage of his sacks are on him and make the Oline look bad?

Blocking for 4 seconds is going to be challenging rather it's Burrow, or Fields or Williams. 

There is a huge difference between Burrow taking time to let plays develop and Fields being either unaware of the pressure or taking off to run for no apparent reason - he did both. Burrow feels the pocket, climbs it well and is maneuverable back there. 

[Essex Johnson]

(11 hours ago)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: They still need 2 starting caliber guards. If you're going to go all out on the offense, hey you might as well go all out. What's the point of having weapons if your QB is constantly flushed out of the pocket? There are some weaknesses that you just can't paper over. 

Patrick was a fine acquisition. Nothing wrong with signing competition for Lee as the primary backup at center. I'm hoping he can help with the runs. 

This is sacrifice you have to make when you load up at WR and TE, and in the end you are not going to have $$ to load up at guards now, besides elite QBs with great WRs can win with average at best lines

[BengalsBong]

I am hoping for both guards to be free agents so the daft can be for rebuilding the defense and defense depth for the new DC, new D line coach and new LB coach.

Watched this today and sounds like we will be getting more LB help at some point thru FA and the draft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b8dA1vAsfw Lapham interview with our new LB coach.

[jj22]

(9 hours ago)Joelist Wrote: There is a huge difference between Burrow taking time to let plays develop and Fields being either unaware of the pressure or taking off to run for no apparent reason - he did both. Burrow feels the pocket, climbs it well and is maneuverable back there. 

They all took a ton of sacks that their Oline gets blamed for. 

[samhain]

Well, at least the has 2 first names. Gotta count for something.

[*bfine32*]

If Patrick is our worst starting olineman this year. we've improved.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(9 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: If Patrick is our worst starting olineman this year. we've improved.

Yes sir. You are only as good as your worst starter. Cappa and Volson were both pretty terrible along with Rankins and Stone on Defense.

Half of this is gone and we have new coaches on both sides of the ball to improve these areas and a new Guard in Lucas Patrick who is solid.

[BenZoo2]

(9 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: If Patrick is our worst starting olineman this year. we've improved.

Indeed.  He should absolutely be an upgrade over what we trotted out there last year.  NFL average would like pro bowl worthy comparatively speaking.  I hope they aren’t done at this spot.  I’d still like to see risner or scherff on a 1-2 year deal and a pick in 2 or 3 this draft

[bengalsboy]

(Yesterday, 01:31 AM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: Round 1 - Tyler Booker - OG - Alabama
Round 2 - Donovan Jackson - OG - Ohio State; Marcus Membou - OG - Missouri; Tate Ratledge - OG - Georgia; Jonah Savaiianaea - OG/OT - Arizona
Round 3 - Dylan Fairchild - OG - Georgia; Charles Grant - OG - William & Mary


Personally, if Savaiianaea is there at 49, we need to grab him. He can play OT and OG. 

His name is Armond Membou.Not Marcus.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(9 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: If Patrick is our worst starting olineman this year. we've improved.

We still need +1 at guard for that to be so. If ge's our best reserve it would be even better.

[wanga]

Welcome aboard big fella, all the best.