Is Shemar holding out?

[Nicomo Cosca]

(Yesterday, 08:32 PM)jason Wrote: I almost can't with this organization.

Pretty much how I feel at this point. All the excitement over signing Chase and Tee feels like a million years ago. One step forward and two back with this ***** team.

It just feels like they’re destined to turn Burrow into this era’s Marino.

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 05:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree sadly, Shemar sounds like just as much of a head case as Jermaine from last year except Jermaine has made a bit of a turn around.

Anyone that doesn't want to sign a contract because he might get into trouble has got to be a bit of a trouble maker I would think.

His history and Burton are different,  clean in college coaches raved about his work ethic, he has not shown the character flaws that Burton has had.

[George Cantstandya]

(Yesterday, 08:46 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Brown says he’s perplexed as the stipulation in the contract implies a major incident. Would not surprise me if it includes in his past. These players with their women either are indeed abusive or get bit with falsehoods as the women see a payday. But I’m darn sure convinced his 29 year old agent is trying to make a name for himself at Shemar’s expense. His agent wants the label I got the toughest ownership group to buckle. I said this earlier he’s 29 and has a small representation. Like 9 players. If you can’t see the tea leaves ( not you) I can’t help people. But again like Burton… Stewart’s agent had a history. The Bengals thought rookie deal easy peazey. Oh well. Wake up guys.

Hiller is 33.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 08:46 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Brown says he’s perplexed as the stipulation in the contract implies a major incident. Would not surprise me if it includes in his past. These players with their women either are indeed abusive or get bit with falsehoods as the women see a payday. But I’m darn sure convinced his 29 year old agent is trying to make a name for himself at Shemar’s expense. His agent wants the label I got the toughest ownership group to buckle. I said this earlier he’s 29 and has a small representation. Like 9 players. If you can’t see the tea leaves ( not you) I can’t help people. But again like Burton… Stewart’s agent had a history. The Bengals thought rookie deal easy peazey. Oh well. Wake up guys.

I wouldn't even care, if the dude at least had big stat numbers to back up his "testing and measurables", but the reality is that he's got next to nothing in sacks, and in the NFL most of his QB hits would likely draw a flag. That sadder reality to this situation is not only did the Bengals appear to make a poor selection, if this dude fails to sign he's likely only looking at much, much less of a contract if he re-enters the draft next year. The world now knows that he and his agent are a "problem".

[Destro]

(Yesterday, 08:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That has no bearing on rookie deals. They are slotted with a max value that is all guaranteed over the life of the contract. There are situations that allow the team to discontinue paying for a player that might not be available because of his own actions. Should a team be forced to pay for a guy that can't be available to the team due to actions of his own? I mean injuries happen and he should still get paid, but for example bad behavior like buying a supercar and causing harm to others like a recent case shouldn't hold the team on the hook.

The bearing is on his thoughts of his own situation, because if he signs, thought is another contract may one day be in the future; nothing to do with the rookie deal or guaranteed aspects of it. I think he should have been signed and start training. If he just doesn’t like how these people do business with other people, may make him think that bending to their wishes is something he is less likely to do. Don’t think the Bengals are giving him a warm and fuzzy feeling. As of right now, though in different career and contract positions, both edges are saying the Bengals are offering contracts they don’t want to sign.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 09:22 PM)Destro Wrote: The bearing is on his thoughts of his own situation, because if he signs, thought is another contract may one day be in the future; nothing to do with the rookie deal or guaranteed aspects of it. I think he should have been signed and start training. If he just doesn’t like how these people do business with other people, may make him think that bending to their wishes is something he is less likely to do. Don’t think the Bengals are giving him a warm and fuzzy feeling. As of right now, though in different career and contract positions, both edges are saying the Bengals are offering contracts they don’t want to sign.

I think that you may be overthinking the entire situation. The guy has not played a down, nor even signed his rookie contract. It's much, much too early to be thinking about his long term prospects. He needs to prove that he belongs on an NFL roster, first and foremost.

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 08:49 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Hiller is 33.

Thanks I looked it up and said 29 but must have been an old article.

[SouthernFan]

(Yesterday, 04:14 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Jokes on you! Got some vintage Little Kings on ice, dude. 

Yes!  Memories….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdCtjxVXIQc

[George Cantstandya]

(Yesterday, 09:37 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Thanks I looked it up and said 29 but must have been an old article.

That might have been the Forbes under 30 article?  Here is an article from this February with some info on him some might find interesting.  I'm not sure if it has been posted here by someone else already as I have not read every post, if so apologies.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/growing-a-business/how-this-boutique-sports-agency-is-beating-billion-dollar/486322

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 09:44 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: That might have been the Forbes under 30 article?  Here is an article from this February with some info on him some might find interesting.  I'm not sure if it has been posted here by someone else already as I have not read every post, if so apologies.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/growing-a-business/how-this-boutique-sports-agency-is-beating-billion-dollar/486322

Wow, nothing better than an article written by a PR guy to make a sleazy guy appear less sleazy and more personable.

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 10:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Wow, nothing better than an article written by a PR guy to make a sleazy guy appear less sleazy and more personable.

The guy I’m telling you wants this as his new trophy. I stood up to the Bengals. They blinked.

[George Cantstandya]

(Yesterday, 10:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Wow, nothing better than an article written by a PR guy to make a sleazy guy appear less sleazy and more personable.

Just happened to be the article where I found his age.  Actually he could be 34 now I suppose as this was published in Feb.

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 08:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Meh, say what you will about Adam Jones, but the dude was always nothing but an absolute DOG on the field. Give me that 2015 secondary over this over drafted bunch any given Sunday.

Jones was the Van Exel of the Bengals. That attitude, and when everyone else was getting tight and gun shy, he would change the entire tone of the game with one play.

[Frank Booth]

(Yesterday, 10:29 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Jones was the Van Exel of the Bengals. That attitude, and when everyone else was getting tight and gun shy, he would change the entire tone of the game with one play.

The van exel reference falls deaf on their ears of bengals fans

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(Yesterday, 08:48 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: His history and Burton are different,  clean in college coaches raved about his work ethic, he has not shown the character flaws that Burton has had.

Don't let little things like facts get in the way of deciding to hate and besmirch someone. How else are you going to build yourself up to throw trash on his lawn later? 

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 10:43 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: The van exel reference falls deaf on their ears of bengals fans

Maybe I'm too old Frankie. 

[sandwedge]

(Yesterday, 06:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: It's strictly up to Stewart how much he wants to play this year, as he likely will have to find a new agent.
Bengals aren't going to budge much.

How much longer are folks ok with Stewart holding out before they want to see Stewart traded or just allowed to reenter the draft next year?
I know my answer, but I'm probably jaded because of my opinion of the pick to begin with back in April.

I don't think we can trade, can we?

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 10:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Don't let little things like facts get in the way of deciding to hate and besmirch someone. How else are you going to build yourself up to throw trash on his lawn later? 

You had alot of facts in your rebuttal  thanks for the information..lol

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 11:19 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I don't think we can trade, can we?

Yes. Bengals can trade his rights, but it would be a damaged goods trade. No other Team would give a a return commensurate with the 17th pick of 2025. 

The alternative is to retract the offer and Shemar can enter the draft next year. Or Shemar can refuse to sign the offer and do the same.

My view is that if Shemar doesn't sign the offer and misses camp, and decides to sign the week before season opener, he is of minimal value this year for us. 

[t3r3e3]

(Yesterday, 10:59 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Maybe I'm too old Frankie. 

Cincy folks gotta know who Nick Van Exel is, aka the last UC Final Four squad. New fans and casuals are a different story…