Trey Hendrickson Update

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:13 PM)Synric Wrote: Meh. I obviously don't know where they stalled in negotiations but we are just 2 weeks out from the draft. The Front Office is small and is dealing with all the contracts from the draft picks and UDFAs etc. I don't expect them to circle back to Trey until at LEAST mid-June more likely when training camp starts in July.

So they can't ring up his agent and say, "hey, let's circle back to this after we take care of X business"?

[BengalsBong]

(Yesterday, 05:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Beware the mysterious injury..

It could happen but Hendrikson will be a free agent and looking for a new contract with a new team next year most likely.

So Hendrikson better not let his agent talk him into a corner by having a half ass year.

[*michaelsean*]

If the refs would flag the O line even half the time Trey is mugged then he’d definitely be with $40 million.

[THE PISTONS]

Trey just shared the Shefter story that no communication has taken place with the Bengals since the draft on his ig stories.

I'm guessing it's true.

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 08:27 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Based on the last reports on this, I'm siding with the Bengals....

- Bengals offered Trey $28Mill/per

- Trey countered by saying mid $30s/per

- Bengals added incentives to the $28 that would get him to mid 30s.

- Trey countered by saying that he shouldn't have to perform to get paid like that at this point in his career since he has already been performing.

- Trey also threatened to retire at one point. Meaning, the Bengals could extend him for 2 years and not get the time. Sorry, folks, but I don't side with the player here in this specific case. I think $28/per guaranteed + incentives to get into the mid $30s is a fair deal for Trey.

- I'm in sales and am a top 1% performer. So much so that I don't have a boss and report directly to the owner, where as the jr sales guys under me report to a GM and then me..... If I go to the owner and tell him that I want my salary next year doubled & then guaranteed based on my sales this year, he would tell me absolutely NOT.  Would he give me some extra points off of the guy's I mentor's sales? YES. Maybe a bump in my % or guaranteed pay? YES. Allow me to buy/earn ownership points in the business? YES....

But would he just look at last year and say, sure, I'll pay you double next year just for showing up, regardless of the results? HELL NO. I've transformed this guy's company by completely changing how they work with clients, introduced new products/services, DOUBLED their sales AND increased profitability on those sales by 20%.... And he would still pay me off of what I keep producing.

Sorry, Trey. Take the $28mill/per + incentives and keep going. That's how the real world/business works. It's all incentive pay in real time.

You’re not far off here. But I don’t know if the NFL is structured that 20% is incentives. Trey has earned top 5 DE money that’s not bonus structured. If Cincy can’t work a deal trade him for what they can. There’s the rub. They want too much. Just take the loss Cincy 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(Yesterday, 03:42 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Team has the leverage.

I always find it interesting when people say things like that about truly star players. 

Without Hendrickson, the Bengals playoff hopes are already over. Their defense is already looking like it will be rough at best, but without your All-Pro sack king? It would be the worst in the league. We saw last year that even if you ask Burrow to throw it 40 times a game to put up MVP-like numbers and Chase has a triple crown, that's still not enough. That's then a third straight season of missing the playoffs, another year of Burrow's career gone, and a souring of fans who the Blackburns want money from.

It's why star players have always had more say and leverage. There's so few of them, they have a massively outsized impact compared to non-stars, and they're so hard/impossible to replace.

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 10:17 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I always find it interesting when people say things like that about truly star players. 

Without Hendrickson, the Bengals playoff hopes are already over. Their defense is already looking like it will be rough at best, but without your All-Pro sack king? It would be the worst in the league. We saw last year that even if you ask Burrow to throw it 40 times a game to put up MVP-like numbers and Chase has a triple crown, that's still not enough. That's then a third straight season of missing the playoffs, another year of Burrow's career gone, and a souring of fans who the Blackburns want money from.

It's why star players have always had more say and leverage. There's so few of them, they have a massively outsized impact compared to non-stars, and they're so hard/impossible to replace.

Our stalling in rewarding our star players ( except Burrow) has cost us a lot of money. 

[*rfaulk34*]

Compared to other top ED/OLB. The Bengals not only got Trey on a bargain basement FA contract, after he produced for them, they're now not willing to show him any love for their ROI. Even their extension last year was for less APY than any of the others, despite what he's done the last 2 years. 

2nd contracts, APY, age when contract was signed, notes. 
TJ Watt - $28MM (27 yrs old) extension coming
M Garrett - $25MM (25 yrs old) just extended/back loaded/3 void years/$40MM APY
D Hunter - $24.5MM (30 yrs old) 3rd contract (FA)
M Crosby - $23.5MM (25 yrs old) just extended/ 3yrs $35.5MM
T Hendrickson - $15MM (27 yrs old) (FA) / extended 1yr $21MM


Sacks since 2020 (and last 2 years)
TJ Watt - 54.5 (30.5 last 2 years)
M Garrett - 72.0 (28.0 last 2 years)
D Hunter - 45.0 (28.5 last 2 years)
M Crosby - 49.5 (22.0 last 2 years)
T Hendrickson - 70.5 (35.0 last 2 years)

They're simply tight-fisted penny-pinching skinflints who aren't willing to pay an older player, to show any kind of love or to say thanks for over producing because they don't want to take a chance on their ROI going in the tank. See; A Whitworth.

Add in the hypocrisy of asking for top return (because they feel that's what his worth is), while not being willing to pay top (not even near the top) money for the next couple years...because apparently he's not worth that, so what you have is a bunch of dim-witted jagoffs who don't know how to run an NFL franchise with the intent on winning a championship. 

[BenZoo2]

(Yesterday, 07:30 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: That's a complex comparison. The Browns dont have a Burrow, Chase, and Higgins paid at the top of their positions.

You’re somewhat right on what the browns don’t have.  Deshaun got a big money, all guaranteed.  They don’t have the others though.  Players don’t really care much about that though, they are mostly looking out for themselves.  But Garrett and Crosby are the ones who just got recent extensions so the comps are relevant.  Treys agent would be doing him a disservice not pointing treys sack totals compared to theirs.  But his age and run defense are working against him.

We still don’t know the offer or his demands.  I still lean towards the notion the bengals have their final offer, or something really close to it.

And I think watt and the Steelers are heading in the same direction 

[*bfine32*]

(Today, 12:33 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Compared to other top ED/OLB. The Bengals not only got Trey on a bargain basement FA contract, after he produced for them, they're now not willing to show him any love for their ROI. Even their extension last year was for less APY than any of the others, despite what he's done the last 2 years. 

What are they offering him? 

[NATI BENGALS]

If we pay him 2x as much as he is under contract for in the terms of the contract he signed will he be 2x better at stopping the run?

[*rfaulk34*]

(Today, 01:02 AM)bfine32 Wrote: What are they offering him? 

Likely a fair amount less than his actual worth, let alone his own perceived worth. 

Market for Trey should be between 30-35M. 

If i had to take a wild shot in the dark...i'd say they're probably offering around 26M. 

[Soonerpeace]

(10 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Likely a fair amount less than his actual worth, let alone his own perceived worth. 

Market for Trey should be between 30-35M. 

If i had to take a wild shot in the dark...i'd say they're probably offering around 26M. 

Trey has been exemplary here. He’s carried the defense. He was promised a better deal or longer extension if he had a great year. He did and things have changed in the front office with the signing of Tee & Chase. It’s time to do Trey right. Trade him and although you might have to abandon getting a first or second rounder it’s time to move on. I’m not blaming anyone. I’m sure the FO has made Trey a solid offer but it’s his last contract and he wants more. It is what it is.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Good thing the FO is on board with thecplan to make sure we get off to a fast start.

Nothing like having your best defensive player unhappy, holding out, and being absent while your new DC and DL coach tryvto implement a,new system.

And we take a big swing on a potential replacement for a star instead of locking him up and drafting wiser elsewhere. Smells like Burton/Higgins.

[PDub80]

(Yesterday, 08:45 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Those numbers are rumors and speculation. You can't or shouldn't form an opinion off of that. How much was Tee turning down in rumors before he signed for under 30 per? Also can't really compare sports to other industries they just are not the same.

I believe these numbers are the ones Trey himself laid out in a recent interview.

[WeezyBengal]

Trey is a baby who uses the media to cry and the front office sucks at communicating/sucks in general.

Two things can be true.

[Luvnit2]

(10 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Likely a fair amount less than his actual worth, let alone his own perceived worth. 

Market for Trey should be between 30-35M. 

If i had to take a wild shot in the dark...i'd say they're probably offering around 26M. 

The NFL teams rarely tear up contracts whicj is seems you are suggesting the FO do with Trey. They just extended Chase, but they did not ignore the 5th year of his rookie deal with the new contract.

It is not realistic to expect the team to suddenly pay Trey 30 to 35 million in 2025, all fully guaranteed. If that is his exectation, he will not get a ew contract. As I have said this is a business transaction. Currently Trey the businessman has a 15.8 guaranteed contract. The money he earns in 2025 does not include the bonus money he signed upfront, many forget he is being compensated more than 15.8 in 2025, he just got the money upfront when signed the extension.

Here is Trey's choice, don't agree and sit out or play for current deal. Work with FO to get a nice 2025 bonus, say 6 to 7 million, all guaranteed. Then work with team on years 2 and 3. His goal should b 2 fold, get as much guaranteed money and higher APY in years 2 and 3.

The team has made an offer to extend Trey, we have no idea what it is, but it appears one side has decided to not accept and that is not the FO. Why would the team call and reach out if Trey told them to pound sand with their offer and they have no intention of budging. It appears to me it is Trey's camp that said no and now they are hoping the FO blinks.

I hope they work it out. I also understand the team's position, he is 31 years old and a limited future (age). Trey's agent screwed up with last contract, not the Bengals. Now he seems to expect the Bengals to repay him because he as underpaid as he over performed. It does not work that way, nit just with us but any team.

I keep referencing Watt who also wants an extension (new deal) and like Trey is on final year of his conract. Do any fans think they are going to give Watt 40 million. year in 2025, 2026 and 2027? I say no way.

[NUGDUKWE]

(3 hours ago)PDub80 Wrote: I believe these numbers are the ones Trey himself laid out in a recent interview.

I've seen no numbers brought up in any interviews. I could've missed it but I think it would've been big news that I would've seen it mentioned.

[*pally*]

Trey is physically present at practice today looking good in street clothes.  He is expected to meet with media later on

Well, Trey Hendrickson is here. pic.twitter.com/lxJYGh8bqj

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) May 13, 2025

  

[*pally*]

Trey Hendrickson: A little transpired between me and Zac. We’ve tried to keep it as little personal as possible. At some point it becomes personal.

He said he was told he’d be fined if he didn’t show up for mandatory camp.

(Very interesting scene here as he talks right in…

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) May 13, 2025

Hendrickson: Other things have transpired. The importance of me being here in OTAs doesn’t seem to be respected.

We gave it our all for Lou’s defense. We fell short.

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) May 13, 2025

Hendrickson: They’ve done right by their own perspective. My perspective is different.

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) May 13, 2025

Hendrickson is saying that his understanding was that if he continued to play at the level he has, an extension would happen.

The team has been pushing a shorter deal “pretty hard.”

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) May 13, 2025

Hendrickson said a long term contract with guarantees is a sign of mutual respect and lets him be able to stop negotiating every offseason.

“I’m very disappointed with the communication.”

No direct answer on if he’d play without a new deal.

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) May 13, 2025

Hendrickson: It’s become personal unfortunately.

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) May 13, 2025

Hendrickson: A lot of players in the past have been silent and didn’t stand on values. Telling the truth will set you free.

The comments that are being made.. whatever happened at the combine, the owner’s meetings and what was said yesterday… I don’t spare my opinions.

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) May 13, 2025