(Yesterday, 05:28 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Some on here i think that's what they live for I think even when no to little facts exist, then they forget about they posts when they end up wrong
There is a very, very small number of people on here that bash just to bash. I doubt the reason they do it is because it's what they live for.
The vast majority of others that speak ill of the FO have MANY MANY years of evidence to back up their bashing, so no, your "no to little facts exist" does not apply to the vast majority of people that speak out about the FO. I can't help it that there's a segment here who can't see clear, concise evidence of decades of shitty front office shenanigans. That's a you and them thing. Not a me and other "bashers" thing.
This front office has a storied history of being absolute turds when it comes to spending money and signing players and no amount of putting your fingers in your ears and "nah nah nah"ing loudly will erase that.
The one and only thing that will erase it is a SB trophy.
"Hope is not a strategy"
"The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
(Yesterday, 03:20 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I was vey specific and even saidlots of examples to use to make your point.
So no, this is and was about Fant so no points for you from me, but your many shared FO haters will love you, mabe give you the best FO hater award in 2025.
(Yesterday, 05:32 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Bengals jumped ahead of other interested Teams to simply "kick the tires" and "work the player out"?
Teams do not bring in players just to "kick the tires" and "work" them out, without interest in signing them. The "tire kicking" is done before the visit, usually with the player's agent. With a vet like Fant without history of serious injuries and 6 years of film, there would not be workouts either.
During the visit, the player may or may not take a Medical (contracts pending physical are not uncommon). They do meet with coaches, do a facility tour, do some film and meet with some players. Then get down to discussion with the GM. If the offer makes sense, then the agent gets involved (that depends on whether the agent visits along with the player or remotely). Players who visit without their reps, get prepped with numbers in advance by their agents.
In the bolded, you are assuming that he was not offered a contract, by your "no contract offer in hand" comment.
If we disagree, that is fine. But a player visit is serious business. Unless there is a glaring issue such as a physical or mental/background find, numbers are discussed (low ball or not).
Yep.
If a player comes in, there is zero doubt that the question was asked, "what are you looking for", or, "here's what we have to offer".
Players can look at that and go, "ok. I'm gonna go ahead and make my other visits and i'll stay in touch. Thanks for having me in". In, out, badaboom. Maybe he calls back, maybe he doesn't. Leaving without being signed is exactly what i would have expected, being his first visit. Only thing that would have changed that is a team makes an offer that is more than he had expected.
"Hope is not a strategy"
"The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
If a player comes in, there is zero doubt that the question was asked, "what are you looking for", or, "here's what we have to offer".
Players can look at that and go, "ok. I'm gonna go ahead and make my other visits and i'll stay in touch. Thanks for having me in". In, out, badaboom. Maybe he calls back, maybe he doesn't. Leaving without being signed is exactly what i would have expected, being his first visit. Only thing that would have changed that is a team makes an offer that is more than he had expected.
Agreed, he'll look at all of the situations at his disposal and then make a decision of which one to pursue. Obviously a chance to be on a team with a shot has a role in that decision making process. Coming to the Bengals he should know that he'll be a role player for an offensive juggernaut. Now, will the allure of more money from a shitty team take precedence?
All I know is that I'm rooting for him to become a Bengal. I liked what I saw from the Offense in 12 personnel last season.
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
He was cut so he should looking for a multi-year deal rather than a 1 yr. deal to rehabilitate his value. The Bengals have Gesicki, Sample, and All all under contract through 2026. He would have been part of a 3-headed TE room here, but he was the leading receiving TE in Seattle and probably believes he can be that again somewhere else. For him the Bengals are a good but not great situation. And we all know he wasn't offered top dollar.
(Yesterday, 05:46 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: There is a very, very small number of people on here that bash just to bash. I doubt the reason they do it is because it's what they live for.
The vast majority of others that speak ill of the FO have MANY MANY years of evidence to back up their bashing, so no, your "no to little facts exist" does not apply to the vast majority of people that speak out about the FO. I can't help it that there's a segment here who can't see clear, concise evidence of decades of shitty front office shenanigans. That's a you and them thing. Not a me and other "bashers" thing.
This front office has a storied history of being absolute turds when it comes to spending money and signing players and no amount of putting your fingers in your ears and "nah nah nah"ing loudly will erase that.
The one and only thing that will erase it is a SB trophy.
Until we win one.
A Super Bowl loss and Back-to-back AFC Championship games didn't even do it for one year, but you think if one play had gone differently in the Super Bowl, the "realists" wouldn't currently be complaining about the FO even if we hadn't had a losing season in 4 years
A Super Bowl loss and Back-to-back AFC Championship games didn't even do it for one year, but you think if one play had gone differently in the Super Bowl, the "realists" wouldn't currently be complaining about the FO even if we hadn't had a losing season in 4 years
Nah. Not after 4 years. I know what the complaints would be. The complainers just here to complain are going to complain no matter what. The people that criticise fairly, even at larger volumes, shouldn't be lumped into that group.
The thing is, even with that SB appearance recently in hand, you can look at how they didn't address the Oline properly and it's a valid complaint. The way they go against the norm for championship team building and try to do it their way, is a valid complaint.
If they were to break through and win one, that wipes a lot of complaints away.
I've personally never denied that they've changed some in recent years. Still feels like they haven't gone "all in" (define that how you will) to get over the hump.
"Hope is not a strategy"
"The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
(Yesterday, 06:10 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Agreed, he'll look at all of the situations at his disposal and then make a decision of which one to pursue. Obviously a chance to be on a team with a shot has a role in that decision making process. Coming to the Bengals he should know that he'll be a role player for an offensive juggernaut. Now, will the allure of more money from a shitty team take precedence?
All I know is that I'm rooting for him to become a Bengal. I liked what I saw from the Offense in 12 personnel last season.
In addition to that, does he want to be the big fish in a little pond or the small fish on the Bengals. If he gets a log-term guarantee laden contract, he will take it wherever it is offered.
Otherwise; I think it comes down to immediate dollars first, then potential for more dollars. Fant's potential for future earnings with Bengals may not be high, because Gesicki will get most of the TE targets.
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