1/3 of Amercians would refuse to hide a Jew during the Holocaust

[jmccracky]

(09-26-2015, 01:47 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: Oh, bullshit. I will admit, there is a loud mouth faction of liberals that are jumping on the "down with Israel" bandwagon. But hey man, you do realize there are also some bigoted conservatives that hate the Jews? There are a lot of conservatives that are pro-Israel. But that does not mean that they are all pro-Jew.

Liberals (there are conservatives too on this list) who love Israel- http://www.israellycool.com/2010/09/06/pro-israel-celebrities/

But yeah, let's all lump liberals with the young stupid college kids. You know, most liberals like me can't stand that hippy shit either. Go ahead and pay attention to what the media keeps feeding you though. Or, you can be open minded and see that both sides have their spoiled rotten apples, and the media LOVES it!

And I apologize if I come off as angry. I respect your opinions. This rant was more like "shaking my damn head". lol

[jmccracky]

(09-26-2015, 01:43 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well I would say that I would help others.  And it's easy to help those we know or are familiar.    I guess you would have to think of the most out of your comfort zone person, and then think of you would help.    My faith teaches that we are to step up, much like Lot did in Gomorrah, even when facing seemingly impossible odds.    I will stand for life, but it's easier to say now when there is no risk.    I hope I am as strong in my resolve and clear in my mind as I am today.  But in all honesty we won't know until we are faced with the choice.

This is a good answer.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-26-2015, 01:43 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well I would say that I would help others.  And it's easy to help those we know or are familiar.    I guess you would have to think of the most out of your comfort zone person, and then think of you would help.    My faith teaches that we are to step up, much like Lot did in Gomorrah, even when facing seemingly impossible odds.    I will stand for life, but it's easier to say now when there is no risk.    I hope I am as strong in my resolve and clear in my mind as I am today.  But in all honesty we won't know until we are faced with the choice.

You say this, but you do this . . .

(09-26-2015, 12:20 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: "Hungarian government so bad" because we all know how wonderfully Muslim nations treat their people

Not to mention you view upon "savages" . . .

I don't believe you would help at all.  Unless by "help" you mean "mock" like you did in your post above.  "we all know how wonderfully Muslim nations treat their people" might be why they are refugees in the first place.  Ever consider that?

[Blutarsky]

(09-26-2015, 01:47 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: But yeah, let's all lump liberals with the young stupid college kids.

And don't forget academia that indoctrinates those young stupid college kids, and Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson, and Rosie O'Donnell, and Nancy Pelosi, and stupid liberal politicians that think islands float, and the Hollywood know it all's, MSNBC and the rest of the lying liberal mainstream media, and the millions of low information voters.... some who thought Obamas election would make them recipients of free rent and free gas in their cars.

Be proud, you're in great company there.

[GodHatesBengals]

(09-26-2015, 03:08 PM)Blutarsky Wrote: And don't forget academia that indoctrinates those young stupid college kids, and Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson, and Rosie O'Donnell, and Nancy Pelosi, and stupid liberal politicians that think islands float, and the Hollywood know it all's, MSNBC and the rest of the lying liberal mainstream media, and the millions of low information voters.... some who thought Obamas election would make them recipients of free rent and free gas in their cars.

Be proud, you're in great company there.

I find it fascinating that your singular theme is the stupidity of liberals.

Yet we have scientific studies linking low IQ to right wing beliefs and prejiduce. We have the fact that  blue states average higher graduation rates than red states. We have a University of Arkansas study showing “Low-Effort Thought Promotes Political Conservatism". 

And finally we have MRI scans (I'm sure MRIs have a librool bias!) showing that “conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals" while the liberals had more gray matter in their anterior cingulate cortex. Quick science lesson: the amygdala is responsible for emotional response, anxiety and fear; the ACC is the part of your brain that helps people deal with complexity. In other words, right wingers are fearful, emotional and struggle with complex ideas.

But, you're right. We should dismiss all of this Satanic science stuff, all because you've got a laundry list of people you don't like and saw some YouTubes of uninformed Obama voters, in sharp contrast to the great intelligence displayed in videos of the Tea Baggers.

Plus, you quote perhaps the greatest scholar of all time, Ann Coulter, proving that you'll even read books, as long as you're assured you'll agree with everything in them. So please, continue to educate us about this intellectual superiority of conservatives that defies all science and statistics.

[StLucieBengal]

(09-26-2015, 02:32 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: You say this, but you do this . . .


Not to mention you view upon "savages" . . .

I don't believe you would help at all.  Unless by "help" you mean "mock" like you did in your post above.  "we all know how wonderfully Muslim nations treat their people" might be why they are refugees in the first place.  Ever consider that?

Those aren't the people in trouble.   The ones suffering in the Middle East are christians.  Who can't go to the UN camps out of fear.    

And my view on savages has nothing to do with any of this but nice try throwing it in to see if it sticks.

All you see is skin color then rush to jump on any morsel that you think is gonna make someone out to be a racist. Well your barking up the wrong tree because I don't care if you call me a racist, the tooth fairy, or Mike Harrison.

[*jason*]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-   Because I was not a Socialist. 

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-  Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-  Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me- and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemoller

[*jason*]

(09-26-2015, 04:06 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Those aren't the people in trouble.   The ones suffering in the Middle East are christians.  Who can't go to the UN camps out of fear.    

And my view on savages has nothing to do with any of this but nice try throwing it in to see if it sticks.

People of all religions are suffering as a result of the wars that have been fought in the Middle East.  Atheists are also suffering.  It's a human tragedy...  Period.

[StLucieBengal]

(09-26-2015, 04:10 PM)jason Wrote: First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-   Because I was not a Socialist. 

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-  Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-  Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me- and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemoller

Love this + rep

[StLucieBengal]

(09-26-2015, 04:13 PM)jason Wrote: People of all religions are suffering as a result of the wars that have been fought in the Middle East.  Atheists are also suffering.  It's a human tragedy...  Period.

Yes but he was alluding to the European refugee crisis. Which is what the photo was from . It is a tragedy that's being horribly handled.

[SunsetBengal]

(09-25-2015, 09:04 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: So what would you do?

Tough to say what one would do, when the moment came about.  Sure, it's really easy to speculate upon what one would do, but how many times in life have we seen people that are "all mouth, no action"?

Even tougher to try to hypothesize about what one would do in a situation such as the holocaust, having grown up safely in the US, in this day and age.  I can safely say that if it were my friend or neighbor, that I would guard them with my life. 

[jmccracky]

(09-26-2015, 03:08 PM)Blutarsky Wrote: And don't forget academia that indoctrinates those young stupid college kids, and Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson, and Rosie O'Donnell, and Nancy Pelosi, and stupid liberal politicians that think islands float, and the Hollywood know it all's, MSNBC and the rest of the lying liberal mainstream media, and the millions of low information voters.... some who thought Obamas election would make them recipients of free rent and free gas in their cars.

Be proud, you're in great company there.

Oh, you're conservative? You must be racist.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-26-2015, 04:06 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Those aren't the people in trouble.

The Syrian government used chemical weapons on its own citizens.  You can't possibly be stupid enough to believe those refugees aren't in trouble so why do you pretend to be that stupid?

Quote:The ones suffering in the Middle East are christians.  Who can't go to the UN camps out of fear.    

And my view on savages has nothing to do with any of this but nice try throwing it in to see if it sticks.

All you see is skin color then rush to jump on any morsel that you think is gonna make someone out to be a racist.    Well your barking up the wrong tree because I don't care if you call me a racist, the tooth fairy, or Mike Harrison.

Dude, unlike you, I have been to the Middle East.  It was unusual to see someone not suffering, but I didn't get to visit the artificial ski slopes in Dubai or where ever they are located.  Your view on savages includes everyone who from the Middle East.  (Your own words.)  I didn't mention a damn thing about skin color or call you a racist.  Roto was kind enough to give us the Census Bureau's definition of "white" and it includes people from the Middle East.  That is a perfect example of a straw man argument; you disagree with something I never wrote.  (I'm looking at you Sunset since you don't have a clue what a straw man argument is.)  My point relates to your lack of Christian charity and values and doesn't have a god damn thing to do with skin color or whether or not you are a racist.  I am an agnostic, former Ranger Regiment infantryman and I have more Christian charity than you do which is a pathetic commentary upon your lack of alleged Christian values.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-26-2015, 04:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yes but he was alluding to the European refugee crisis.   Which is what the photo was from .    It is a tragedy that's being horribly handled.

How can they be in a horribly, mishandled tragedy, but not in trouble?  Oh, I know . . . they are in a tragedy, not trouble.  FFS!

[StLucieBengal]

(09-26-2015, 04:36 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The Syrian government used chemical weapons on its own citizens.  You can't possibly be stupid enough to believe those refugees aren't in trouble so why do you pretend to be that stupid?

Dude, unlike you, I have been to the Middle East.  It was unusual to see someone not suffering, but I didn't get to visit the artificial ski slopes in Dubai or where ever they are located.  Your view on savages includes everyone who from the Middle East.  (Your own words.)  I didn't mention a damn thing about skin color or call you a racist.  Roto was kind enough to give us the Census Bureau's definition of "white" and it includes people from the Middle East.  That is a perfect example of a straw man argument; you disagree with something I never wrote.  (I'm looking at you Sunset since you don't have a clue what a straw man argument is.)  My point relates to your lack of Christian charity and values and doesn't have a god damn thing to do with skin color or whether or not you are a racist.  I am an agnostic, former Ranger Regiment infantryman and I have more Christian charity than you do which is a pathetic commentary upon your lack of alleged Christian values.

No one said Assad was not a monster.   But Syrians would rather have him over a muslim led gov under ISIS or the muslim brotherhood.  

And I never said the place was perfect.  It's up to them to fix their country not us.

And just because I don't want to open the borders for anyone in a UN camp doesn't make me less christian. Look at the mess in Europe. Why do we want that here?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-27-2015, 01:23 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No one said Assad was not a monster.   But Syrians would rather have him over a muslim led gov under ISIS or the muslim brotherhood.  

And I never said the place was perfect.  It's up to them to fix their country not us.

And just because I don't want to open the borders for anyone in a UN camp doesn't make me less christian.   Look at the mess in Europe.  Why do we want that here?

Mocking refugees and turning your back on them does make you less Christian.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

I would like to think that if a government were to seize absolute power and start committing genocide like the Nazi's did, that not only myself but also my son would have the testicular fortitude to join the resistance.  I would think that would include helping those being persecuted.

[Mike M (the other one)]

This is a very stupid poll and the majority that says that they would hide a Jew is lying.

People can't imagine the conditions that the Germans faced (starvation/barely enough rations to stay alive with), or the risks (whole family sent to a death camp) involved in being caught hiding Jews. People are simply choosing to ignore all of that and pretend that they are all righteous people.

I can tell you right now, that under most conditions I would not hide anyone. I would help them by giving them what ever I can afford to part with and sympathize with their plight, but I will not endanger my family for strangers.

Now if the stranger was family or I was single with no family (only risk is to myself), then I might change my stance.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

(09-28-2015, 02:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: This is a very stupid poll and the majority that says that they would hide a Jew is lying.

People can't imagine the conditions that the Germans faced (starvation/barely enough rations to stay alive with), or the risks (whole family sent to a death camp) involved in being caught hiding Jews. People are simply choosing to ignore all of that and pretend that they are all righteous people.

I can tell you right now, that under most conditions I would not hide anyone. I would help them by giving them what ever I can afford to part with and sympathize with their plight, but I will not endanger my family for strangers.

Now if the stranger was family or I was single with no family (only risk is to myself), then I might change my stance.

Actually I thought it was one of his better threads.  Thought provoking and interesting.  One certainly can understand your position of not wanting to endanger your family, but even you said, if you could help and circumstances provided, that you would indeed help.  Are you lying? I don't think you are. Our Circumstances are different.  I'm single and have a son that is almost military age, I would certainly join what ever resistance I could.  I absolutely would not sit by and watch and hope they don't come for me.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-29-2015, 12:39 AM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: Actually I thought it was one of his better threads.  Thought provoking and interesting.  One certainly can understand your position of not wanting to endanger your family, but even you said, if you could help and circumstances provided, certainly that you would indeed help.  Are you lying? I don't think you are. Our Circumstances are different.  I'm single and have a son that is almost military age, I would join what ever resistance I could.  I absolutely would not sit by and watch and hope they don't come for me.

Oh it's definitely different from the normal spit spats that goes on here.

I'm just talking about the actual results from the poll that was conducted. People weren't taking the consequences seriously. 

Don't mistake helping for hiding. That's two different situations. It was a capital offense (Death Penalty) to anyone who knowingly provides refuge to a Jew. 

For example, I could "trade" stuff to someone that is more involved and that would minimize my direct risk and allow me to help in a way that keeps my family fairly safe at the same time. 

But the statement regarding the poll was: "One-third of American adults, if alive during the Holocaust, would refuse to hide a Jew from the Nazis." 
I just find that number to be false... It should be much higher, too many are dismissing the harsh reality of the consequences in order to feel that they are a "better" person than those that say wouldn't hide a Jew.