Alaskan boy participates in the girls state championship

[StLucieBengal]

(06-07-2016, 04:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: I don't believe boys are simply "dressing as girls" just to play girl sports as you do.

Feel free to answer the question instead of avoiding it all together.  

[BigPapaKain]

(06-07-2016, 04:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Do you believe in girls sports being seperate from boy sports?   Or do you just want to lump them all in together? 

No. The better athlete should make the team(s).

There - I answered both of your questions.

[GMDino]

(06-07-2016, 04:49 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Feel free to answer the question instead of avoiding it all together.  

'k.

I don't care if boys play girls sports or girls play boys sports.

I also do not believe boys will dress as girls just to play girls sports.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-07-2016, 04:36 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Embarrassing story time!

In high school, I got beat out in a wrestling match by a girl 50 pounds lighter than me. She should've made the team - not me. But it was an all male team, so I got to be on the squad while she got to suck eggs.

Now, if all things are fair, shouldn't the better wrestler have made the team?

Well this explains a lot ....   

Why are you wrestling anyone 50lbs lighter than you?   A girl wrestler would have zero chance in the heavyweight class which is the only class you can have a 50 lb difference.   

when you wrestled this girl did you take it easy on her?  Most boys do take it easy on girls which in the end gives them a false sense they can actually compete.    Just like in football when girls are kickers you never see them lit up like a boy kicker.   

[StLucieBengal]

(06-07-2016, 04:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: 'k.

I don't care if boys play girls sports or girls play boys sports.

I also do not believe boys will dress as girls just to play girls sports.

so you are for just having sports teams.   Not necessarily girls or boys.   Let the best players play no matter boys or girls.   

[BigPapaKain]

(06-07-2016, 04:57 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well this explains a lot ....   

Why are you wrestling anyone 50lbs lighter than you?   A girl wrestler would have zero chance in the heavyweight class which is the only class you can have a 50 lb difference.   

when you wrestled this girl did you take it easy on her?  Most boys do take it easy on girls which in the end gives them a false sense they can actually compete.    Just like in football when girls are kickers you never see them lit up like a boy kicker.   

All the other boys shied away - she was actually a damn good athlete and could lift more than some of the guys heavier than me. 50 pounds was an exaggeration of the actual weight difference - I never asked her actual weight but she was a similar frame than me and about 5 inches shorter (I was 6' at the time).

But as usual you missed my point - which is sad because I went ahead and put it in plain black and white a couple of posts later.

And as to your opening jab...well nevermind. As if I expected someone like you to learn anything from an anecdotal story.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-07-2016, 05:03 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: All the other boys shied away - she was actually a damn good athlete and could lift more than some of the guys heavier than me. 50 pounds was an exaggeration of the actual weight difference - I never asked her actual weight but she was a similar frame than me and about 5 inches shorter (I was 6' at the time).

But as usual you missed my point - which is sad because I went ahead and put it in plain black and white a couple of posts later.

And as to your opening jab...well nevermind. As if I expected someone like you to learn anything from an anecdotal story.

Are you going to pretend that you wouldn't take the opening jab at me had I said something like this lol. Relax Francis 

All the boys shied away because there is no joy in claiming victory over a girl in wrestling.   Which is exactly what I said in my above post 

I find it odd you didn't know weights unless she was just playing around during tryouts.    I can remember knowing everyone's weight on my wrestling teams.  

[GMDino]

(06-07-2016, 05:10 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Are you going to pretend that you wouldn't take the opening jab at me had I said something like this lol. Relax Francis 

All the boys shied away because there is no joy in claiming victory over a girl in wrestling.   Which is exactly what I said in my above post 

I find it odd you didn't know weights unless she was just playing around during tryouts.    I can remember knowing everyone's weight on my wrestling teams.  

No, there is a fear of losing and hurting that awful male ego.

Grow up for gods sake.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-07-2016, 04:51 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: No. The better athlete should make the team(s).

There - I answered both of your questions.

If we did this then girls sports would be dropped.   There would be about 5 girls per high school that would make a team.  And they would most likely make low participation sports.   

[*bfine32*]

(06-07-2016, 04:36 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Embarrassing story time!

In high school, I got beat out in a wrestling match by a girl 50 pounds lighter than me. She should've made the team - not me. But it was an all male team, so I got to be on the squad while she got to suck eggs.

Now, if all things are fair, shouldn't the better wrestler have made the team?

First of all. Any wrestling coach that let that match take place should be fired, sued, and never allowed to coach youth athletics again.

Secondly, you are pretty much supporting the point many have made in this thread. Whether folks want to accept it or not males and females are made differently. Males are inherently much more powerful and faster.  If a female posses the athletic prowess to defeat a male on an even playing field then she should be allowed to participate in the sport. If a male can beat a female on an even playing field then he should not be allowed to participate in competition.

I think I have mentioned it before. My son ran college track and was an 800 meter specialist. He could run a sub 2:00 800M, that was good enough to get a Athletic scholarship at an NAIA school. If he were to be able to participate as a female; he'd be about 2 seconds off the world record. 

[StLucieBengal]

(06-07-2016, 05:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: No, there is a fear of losing and hurting that awful male ego.

Grow up for gods sake.

Beating up on a girl would hurt that male ego.   

I am pretty sure  teenage kain wasn't too excited about losing to a girl .... Although I'm sure he didn't mind being pinned down by her.  

[Belsnickel]

(06-07-2016, 04:22 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: This is exactly what I said would happen.   This dude makes the Alaskan girls state finals taking away a slot for an actual girl.     If you remember I said that boys would go play gorls sports to further their athletic achievements.   Individual sports are always the first 

First, she competed and beat out several others for the finals. That is earning a slot. I've discussed how the hormone therapy does a number of things that evens the playing field between cis and trans women, which we can see in the fact she was bested by several other participants. Granted, I am assuming she is on the hormone therapy. I could very well be wrong on that, but all policies I have seen allowing trans athletes to compete against their gender have specified that hormone therapy be a part of the situation and that they must have attained certain levels.

Second, there is zero evidence she identifies as a woman for competitive purposes. So this does not aid your contention to that effect. In fact, her lack of competition the year prior could be evidence to the contrary. Also, she participated in two team sports as well as T&F. So she first participated in team sports, and then individual.

[Au165]

(06-07-2016, 05:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: First of all. Any wrestling coach that let that match take place should be fired, sued, and never allowed to coach youth athletics again.

Couple issues here. First, if it was at heavy weight they very well could have been in the same weight class 50 pounds apart which would mean there is no issue here. If it wasn't there is a bit of an issue there, but once again if it was in the far lower weights or upper weights it could have been a necessity to get her a partner for practice. In practice often times guys of very different weights work out together to mix things up, but you understand the weight differences and restraint is used.

I kind of get the feeling this may be "misremebered" a bit as there is no reason an outcome of a match between two people 50 pounds apart would determine a roster spot. They most likely would be in different weight classes (unless heavyweight as mentioned above) and therefor don't effect the same part of the lineup.

[*bfine32*]

(06-07-2016, 05:22 PM)Au165 Wrote: Couple issues here. First, if it was at heavy weight they very well could have been in the same weight class 50 pounds apart which would mean there is no issue here. If it wasn't there is a bit of an issue there, but once again if it was in the far lower weights or upper weights it could have been a necessity to get her a partner for practice. In practice often times guys of very different weights work out together to mix things up, but you understand the weight differences and restraint is used.

I kind of get the feeling this may be "misremebered" a bit as there is no reason an outcome of a match between two people 50 pounds apart would determine a roster spot. They most likely would be in different weight classes (unless heavyweight as mentioned above) and therefor don't effect the same part of the lineup.

Yes, if the female weighed 221 and Kain weighed 271 it could have happened. I suppose the female could have also weighed 48 pounds. 

I mentioned nothing about "working out" with those of different weight classes; as it was obviously a wrestle-off situation; given the "I made he, she didn't". You can call it "misremembering" if you wish; I'd most likely give it another term. 

[BigPapaKain]

(06-07-2016, 05:10 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Are you going to pretend that you wouldn't take the opening jab at me had I said something like this lol. Relax Francis 

All the boys shied away because there is no joy in claiming victory over a girl in wrestling.   Which is exactly what I said in my above post 

I find it odd you didn't know weights unless she was just playing around during tryouts.    I can remember knowing everyone's weight on my wrestling teams.  

Don't ever presume to know what'd I'd do in a situation. You and I are on completely different wave lengths.

I don't claim to know why the others shied away - fear of hurting her seems as likely as your misogynistic fear of losing to a girl. In my mind a W is a W - she knew what she was signing up for. And I thought my story made it pretty apparent it was try outs (when I said I made the team and she didn't - but then that'd require reading and reading is hard) - but yes it was during try outs. Try outs I didn't even want to attend but a buddy called in some favors on me to fill out the weight class (I weighed 170 in case you were wondering).

As to the last (and frankly irrelevant) statement, I don't care to remember it. As I stated above, I did it as a favor and didn't enjoy it even when I won.

[Au165]

(06-07-2016, 05:32 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Don't ever presume to know what'd I'd do in a situation. You and I are on completely different wave lengths.

I don't claim to know why the others shied away - fear of hurting her seems as likely as your misogynistic fear of losing to a girl. In my mind a W is a W - she knew what she was signing up for. And I thought my story made it pretty apparent it was try outs (when I said I made the team and she didn't - but then that'd require reading and reading is hard) - but yes it was during try outs. Try outs I didn't even want to attend but a buddy called in some favors on me to fill out the weight class (I weighed 170 in case you were wondering).

As to the last (and frankly irrelevant) statement, I don't care to remember it. As I stated above, I did it as a favor and didn't enjoy it even when I won.

Try outs, and you got put against someone who couldn't actually compete against you in a real match? I am now with Bfine, your coach should have been fired as it was obviously him attempting to railroad her. I have been involved in the sport for 20 years and there is no logical reason you should have competed against someone, boy or girl, 50 pounds smaller for anything other than to get practice in.

[BigPapaKain]

(06-07-2016, 05:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Beating up on a girl would hurt that male ego.   

I am pretty sure  teenage kain wasn't too excited about losing to a girl .... Although I'm sure he didn't mind being pinned down by her.  

I tapped, actually. And it didn't hurt my ego. It still doesn't. If it did I wouldn't have put it out there for the world to read.

[*bfine32*]

(06-07-2016, 05:22 PM)Au165 Wrote: Couple issues here. First, if it was at heavy weight they very well could have been in the same weight class 50 pounds apart which would mean there is no issue here. 

(06-07-2016, 05:32 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: (I weighed 170 in case you were wondering).

Welp, that settles it. What is your opinion that would allow a 120 lbs female to wrestle-off against a 170 lbs male?

[GMDino]

(06-07-2016, 05:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Beating up on a girl would hurt that male ego.   

I am pretty sure  teenage kain wasn't too excited about losing to a girl .... Although I'm sure he didn't mind being pinned down by her.  

The male chauvinist mindset is a beauty to behold.

[Au165]

(06-07-2016, 05:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Welp, that settles it. What is your opinion that would allow a 120 lbs female to wrestle-off against a 170 lbs male?

Well considering he just said he "tapped out" I am back to thinking he misremebers as there aren't "tap outs" in wrestling. However, like I said before it was a railroad job as there was no reason for people of that size difference to actually be in a competitive match.