New video evidence shows that the cop is kneeling on Floyd's shoulder, not his neck.
They get the police chief, who is testifying AGAINST Chauvin, to admit that Chauvin's knee WASN'T on Floyd's neck.
New video also shows Floyd screaming that he can't breathe BEFORE he is even out of the car, meaning that it wasn't caused by the officer kneeling on him.
He also had three times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.
Floyd had 75% artery blockage.
They get the doctor to admit that the drugs in Floyd's system can cause hypoxia, which is what Floyd died from.
Most of those are more than enough to at least cast reasonable doubt, and some of them flat-out would make it easy to conclude that Chauvin is innocent.
He will be found not guilty and there will be riots. Cities will burn.
If this dude walks, we will have some major problems. The jury is fully aware of this and no way they acquit him. Might seem unfair, but even if all that is true, the guy still knelt in him for ten minutes for no reason so he put himself in that position.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(04-09-2021, 02:34 PM)michaelsean Wrote: If this dude walks, we will have some major problems. The jury is fully aware of this and no way they acquit him. Might seem unfair, but even if all that is true, the guy still knelt in him for ten minutes for no reason so he put himself in that position.
Maybe because he was acting erratically.
If he is found guilty, which I highly doubt, he'll be acquitted on appeal, and the riots will happen then.
People will riot based off of emotion and ignore the facts.
People do tend to get emotional when someone does something against their training and a guys dies underneath him.
People just need to go by the fact that people die all the time and just because someone had a knee on his back/shoulder/neck and multiple people said the cause of death was lack of oxygen they need to stop being emotional.
FTR I doubt he'll be found guilty because it happens so rarely in these cases.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
I am not going to make any predictions because I have not seen all of the evidence.
But I caution against paying any attention to Shapiro's right wing echo chamber version of what is happening. For example the medical expert testified that the asphyxiation was not due to choking his breathing passage in his neck but by the pressure on his lungs in that prone position. This could be caused by the weight of officers on his back and shoulders in addition to his neck.
If you are interested in what is going on in the trial there are plenty of sources. Don't buy into any source that is too extreme from either side.
(04-09-2021, 03:27 PM)GMDino Wrote: People do tend to get emotional when someone does something against their training and a guys dies underneath him.
People just need to go by the fact that people die all the time and just because someone had a knee on his back/shoulder/neck and multiple people said the cause of death was lack of oxygen they need to stop being emotional.
FTR I doubt he'll be found guilty because it happens so rarely in these cases.
He was screaming. I don't think people can scream too much if they have lack of oxygen.
The three times the lethal dose of fentanyl couldn't have been the cause of death?
The drug part bothers me but it is what it is. He seems to be kneeling on him and not listening to his plea for help. I still don't think causing 200 million in damage to a city or whatever is was is acceptable. A lot of other innocent people were further ruined.
(04-09-2021, 02:28 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: New video also shows Floyd screaming that he can't breathe BEFORE he is even out of the car, meaning that it wasn't caused by the officer kneeling on him.
The fact that he was having trouble breathing before the officers pinned him to the ground is even more proof that they were culpable for his death. In other words they already knew he was in distress before they made it worse by compressing his lungs which made it even harder for him to breath.
Brad's argument is like saying that if a person was in water yelling "I am drowning" it would be okay for someone to push his head under water and hold it there.
(04-09-2021, 02:50 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Maybe because he was acting erratically.
If he is found guilty, which I highly doubt, he'll be acquitted on appeal, and the riots will happen then.
People will riot based off of emotion and ignore the facts.
I don’t think you get acquitted on appeal. At least not often. I don’t believe appeals are a guilt or innocence thing except maybe in extreme situations and I’m not even sure of that.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(04-09-2021, 03:31 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: He was screaming. I don't think people can scream too much if they have lack of oxygen.
The three times the lethal dose of fentanyl couldn't have been the cause of death?
He didn’t have “three times the lethal dose” of fentanyl in his system. If he did, he would’ve been dead as a damn door nail when they found him. The lethal dose of fentanyl is 2mg. Floyd had 11 ng/ml which is in the range of anaesthesia. You can read his toxicology report below.
(04-09-2021, 09:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Really? The cop not kneeling on his neck the entire time, as was initially reported, won't be a big factor?
The amount of drugs in his system won't play a factor?
Actually, go through and individually address how everything I mentioned won't matter.
I don’t know how much neck vs back matters. If you have weight in your chest or back, it hinders your ability to breathe. The more weight, the less able you are to breathe.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(04-09-2021, 09:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Really? The cop not kneeling on his neck the entire time, as was initially reported, won't be a big factor?
The amount of drugs in his system won't play a factor?
Actually, go through and individually address how everything I mentioned won't matter.
Quote:[color=rgba(2, 20, 31, 0.85)]“A healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died,” said prosecution witness Dr. Martin Tobin, a lung and critical care specialist at the Edward Hines Jr. VA Hospital and Loyola University’s medical school in Illinois.
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“That is not a fentanyl overdose. That is somebody begging to breathe,” said Smock, the police surgeon for the Louisville, Kentucky, department and a former emergency room doctor. He said Floyd died of “positional asphyxia,” a lack of oxygen because of the position of the body.[/color]
If they listen to some dude on a message board... hell, I dunno. How many people on the board are medical doctors? How many talking heads saying Chauvin deserved to die are doctors? If I put my 200 pounds on someone's chest do they suffocate slower than if I do it on the back of their neck?
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