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(08-15-2020, 07:22 PM)jason Wrote: I just see 2 groups of people that need to find more productive things to do with their Saturdays...
Agreed. However, on the post I was replying to, the video evidence did not back up his claim that "proud boys" were attacking others. I find it vile and misleading for others to make claims that aren't true, and especially when corroborated by their own supplied video evidence..
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(08-15-2020, 07:07 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Hmm, looks like your "reporting" might be a little suspect. Appeared to me that the proud boys were merely defending themselves, upon being attacked. Did you actually watch those videos?
*I* didn't report it. I shared the videos of the "reporter" who was there for the entire thing.
Maybe you have different videos? I'd love to see them!
https://www.wfmj.com/story/42500059/right-wing-group-counter-protesters-clash-in-michigan
Quote:KALAMAZOO, Mich. (AP) — Members of the far-right Proud Boys group and counter-protesters clashed violently Saturday afternoon in western Michigan, resulting in arrests, police said.
Assistant Chief Vernon Coakley of the Kalamazoo Department of Public Safety said a few people were arrested, but didn’t know exactly how many.
"A fight occurred, people were fighting, and that's when we stepped in," Coakley said.
Counter-protesters staged their own event in the area at the same time as the rally that the Proud Boys had planned, according to local media reports. When the Proud Boys arrived, the confrontation ensued. Some fist fights occurred before police arrived and ordered the crowds to disperse. A reporter for MLive.com, who was detained by police while recording live on Facebook, reported that some of the Proud Boys also used pepper spray on people.
The male-only Proud Boys has been called extremist by the Anti-Defamation League and described as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The Proud Boys dispute those descriptions.
“The Proud Boys, they not only have hatred for Jewish people and Muslim people, but they’re also very hateful of anybody who doesn’t look like them or act like them,” said the Rev. Nathan Dannison, pastor of the First Congregational Church, which hosted a vigil by counter-protesters.
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(08-15-2020, 07:22 PM)jason Wrote: I just see 2 groups of people that need to find more productive things to do with their Saturdays...
(08-15-2020, 07:44 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'll just wait until the dust settles and join the winning side. I don't need to be on the wrong side of another Bengals/Steelers rivalry again.
So the Proud Boys announced a rally and the other group held a counter rally that turned violent as soon as the Proud Boys showed up...as usually happens with the Proud boys.
Should the counter protestors have just not gone there? Maybe. They had a permit too.+
Both there will always be a "both sides" argument made if there isn't 100% video proof.
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(08-15-2020, 07:54 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Agreed. However, on the post I was replying to, the video evidence did not back up his claim that "proud boys" were attacking others. I find it vile and misleading for others to make claims that aren't true, and especially when corroborated by their own supplied video evidence..
Oh, so I shared a video of violence that someone else thinks *could* look the other way and I', making claims that "aren't true"? I find that silly.
Nothing personal, but you better check your own post then...and probably half the post in the Coronavirus thread...and, well, you get the idea.
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This reminds me of the race riots in Cincinnati early 2000 ish time. Looting stores and stuff.
It’s an easy target for the right to blame the evil liberals. But I don’t think these people doing all the damage have a lick of politics on their minds, at least the vast majority. They are not rioting to get someone into office. A lot of it is just young Opportunistic jackasses.
Because back during those race riots I was in high school and my young jackass friends after a night of partying would hop in the car to ride downtown and get in on some mayhem. And that was before social media and I’m sure all the peer pressure and bad examples set by it.
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(08-15-2020, 08:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: So the Proud Boys announced a rally and the other group held a counter rally that turned violent as soon as the Proud Boys showed up...as usually happens with the Proud boys.
Should the counter protestors have just not gone there? Maybe. They had a permit too.+
Both there will always be a "both sides" argument made if there isn't 100% video proof.
Yeah... The Proud Boys and anybody like them are repugnant. It would probably make my skin crawl if they were parading around my run down town with their stupid ass outfits and maga flags too. I know I didn't like it when the Klan crossed state lines and came to my city last year... But this stuff's been going on my entire life. The difference is before they'd get their lil permit come spout off behind some barricade, and be gone. Now there's this constant need for confrontation. I think the fine people on both sides would be better suited spending time with their kids, and help to build a better society that way... If they don't have kids; that's even better... Go have some fun, and get the ball rolling on that front.
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(08-15-2020, 08:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: Oh, so I shared a video of violence that someone else thinks *could* look the other way and I', making claims that "aren't true"? I find that silly.
Nothing personal, but you better check your own post then...and probably half the post in the Coronavirus thread...and, well, you get the idea.
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I only looked that the videos in the tweets, that YOU supplied in your post that I responded to. You know, the stuff that YOU were reporting on. Go to those Kalamazoo videos and watch for yourself, the proud boys are just walking, doing their own peaceful demonstration, and then they are assaulted by unnamed assailants.
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(08-15-2020, 08:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: So the Proud Boys announced a rally and the other group held a counter rally that turned violent as soon as the Proud Boys showed up...as usually happens with the Proud boys.
Should the counter protestors have just not gone there? Maybe. They had a permit too.+
Both there will always be a "both sides" argument made if there isn't 100% video proof.
.... And I'm also tired of these lil dick buffoons (on both sides) showing up with their rifles. Pricks like this hangin' around are a good indicator that whatever's going on shouldn't be. This isn't Kabul, but it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference.
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(08-15-2020, 09:18 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I only looked that the videos in the tweets, that YOU supplied in your post that I responded to. You know, the stuff that YOU were reporting on. Go to those Kalamazoo videos and watch for yourself, the proud boys are just walking, doing their own peaceful demonstration, and then they are assaulted by unnamed assailants.
Poor Proud Boys...they must just had a bad rep? 
I shared and opined on the what a real reporter reported.
Take it for what you will rather than basing it on me being the one who posted it and comment on that rather than me.
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(08-15-2020, 09:57 PM)GMDino Wrote: Poor Proud Boys...they must just had a bad rep?
I shared and opined on the what a real reporter reported.
Take it for what you will rather than basing it on me being the one who posted it and comment on that rather than me.
Thanks.
I watched the video, and it didn't match the written portrayal. YOU chose to propagate it as the real deal, so I criticize you.
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(08-15-2020, 09:16 PM)jason Wrote: Yeah... The Proud Boys and anybody like them are repugnant. It would probably make my skin crawl if they were parading around my run down town with their stupid ass outfits and maga flags too. I know I didn't like it when the Klan crossed state lines and came to my city last year... But this stuff's been going on my entire life. The difference is before they'd get their lil permit come spout off behind some barricade, and be gone. Now there's this constant need for confrontation. I think the fine people on both sides would be better suited spending time with their kids, and help to build a better society that way... If they don't have kids; that's even better... Go have some fun, and get the ball rolling on that front.
Wrong... 
we need less stupid people being responsible for kids
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(08-14-2020, 09:52 PM)samhain Wrote: If you can get the number of people that believe in that pig shit to where it is now, then you are a failed state. Your education system has failed to teach people to think critically, as have parents. I have a sneaking suspicion that their movement will swell like a tick on Dracula if the Dems gain power. It will be the astroturf Tea Party part 2, except this time with zero basis in any kind of rational platform. Just a bunch of nutbags smelling each other's farts and accusing people of molesting kids because they don't like them. What a sad society.
Freedom to be a complete jackass ******* moron is just a phase. We will grow out of it.
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(08-15-2020, 06:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: Peaceful protest...then the "Proud Boys" show up and attack.
I'm going to start calling that type of stuff putin porn because i guarantee he is loving this.
I didn't see the Biden flags on the one side??? Only the trump flags.? did the camera just miss them or is there just a really radicalized portion of the population who idolizes the wanna be dictator serial sexual assaulter racist lyin conman enough to march through the streets like that?
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(08-15-2020, 11:30 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Wrong...
we need less stupid people being responsible for kids
Maybe stupidity dissipates when a species spends more time doing what comes natural, and less time doing whatever that was in Kalamazoo... Ah who am I kidding?
You're right...
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(08-15-2020, 07:07 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Hmm, looks like your "reporting" might be a little suspect. Appeared to me that the proud boys were merely defending themselves, upon being attacked. Did you actually watch those videos?
No, clearly the protests were peaceful until the Proud Boys showed up. We all know that only the right instigates violence! Portland (keeping the thread on topic), a very right leaning city, is proof of this!
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(08-15-2020, 08:06 PM)GMDino Wrote: *I* didn't report it. I shared the videos of the "reporter" who was there for the entire thing.
Maybe you have different videos? I'd love to see them!
https://www.wfmj.com/story/42500059/right-wing-group-counter-protesters-clash-in-michigan
Nice to see violent, far-right groups have their defenders though.
You've defended the protests in Portland, so are you not defending violent left wing groups? I'm sure you equally defend the reporting of Andy Ngo, correct?
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(08-15-2020, 10:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I watched the video, and it didn't match the written portrayal. YOU chose to propagate it as the real deal, so I criticize you.
Some would call this logic.
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(08-15-2020, 05:21 PM)Dill Wrote: Anyway, all this talk about education and indoctrination brings me back to what's going on in Portland. Where do the rioters (not protestors) come from? Is their behavior really stemming from classes on college campuses or is this driven by online websites, essays, and organizing, or are the rioters mostly opportunists? Is there a mix, a ratio of one type to another? I don't live in Portland, so no way to get an answer until our media interview or otherwise report on them.
I don't know what this is driven by and I don't think there is a way to get an answer either, you would have to interview everyone and get a sample, and who knows how stable these people are from day to day anyway. I have known people (when I was much younger) who have flipped from extreme right to extreme left. More than anything, I think they just liked action and excitement and needed to be a part of something.
The only thing I do know is that this is happening in Portland, Oregon of all possible places. This is a place that you don't think of when it comes to an excessive police presence. They don't have a substantial Black population either.
I could understand this happening in NYC, Chicago, LA, Detroit, and Minneapolis. But not Portland.
That leaves the question then: Why has Portland (and Seattle to a lesser extent) become the epicenter of this?
Here is my best guess, and I will say this is pure speculation on my part:
In the bigger cities I mentioned, I think the police departments are very large and well equipped due to the longtime presence of gangs.
I don't think of Portland as a city that is well equipped to deal with large waves of crime. I always thought of it as a peace and love kind of liberal utopia. I may be completely wrong here, that is just the image I always had.
Now, after George Floyd, there was a "defund the police" movement that instantly swept across the nation. Protests to riots broke out in every big city. After some time, they seemed to subside in the larger cities with the larger Black populations. However, in Portland they still take place.
The situation in Portland continues because they have a softer PD that is not used to dealing with sustained chaos like they are seeing now. Combine that with leftist leadership who seemingly enabled this at the beginning, and it is probably considered a "soft target" by people wanting to demonstrate in unlawful ways.
Classes on college campuses aren't driving this directly I would say. Online websites, organizing, and opportunists due to the "soft target" nature of Portland are probably the main factors.
The reason I lumped college campuses into the equation is that antifa has had a history of gathering and causing some turmoil at what are considered liberal universities. This leads me to believe they felt comfortable in doing their thing at those places because of the fact that they perceived their views as supported in those locations. As antifa is involved in Portland too, college classes and what is going on in Portland were linked in my mind, perhaps erroneously.
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(08-15-2020, 11:53 PM)jason Wrote: Maybe stupidity dissipates when a species spends more time doing what comes natural, and less time doing whatever that was in Kalamazoo... Ah who am I kidding?
You're right...
Also... Who is that in your mashup avatar now? Burrow and who?... You know for years I thought your old one was Dave Chappelle from his Trading Spouses skit with Dalton's hair on him.
That is Toe Biggins!!
Old one was Burfict and Dalton
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(08-16-2020, 01:44 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: That is Toe Biggins!!
Old one was Burfict and Dalton
He kinda looks like a created player from an NBA2k game or something.
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