09-02-2020, 09:38 PM
(09-02-2020, 08:42 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I'm sure there's data from Stormfront out there that can be provided to justify arresting innocent black people.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
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09-02-2020, 09:38 PM
(09-02-2020, 08:42 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I'm sure there's data from Stormfront out there that can be provided to justify arresting innocent black people. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
09-02-2020, 10:06 PM
09-02-2020, 10:07 PM
(09-02-2020, 06:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Lorenzo Jones was not shot, and the use of force against him was found within policy. The cops choking George Floyd were found to be within policy, too. Until the world decided to say **** that.
09-02-2020, 10:10 PM
09-02-2020, 10:30 PM
(09-02-2020, 10:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Uh, I don't recall it ever being stated that what that officer did to George Floyd was within policy. Source? Uh.... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-experts-say-neck-restraint-allowed-minneapolis-can-kill/5274334002/ Quote:Minneapolis is an outlier in allowing neck restraints Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
09-02-2020, 10:34 PM
(09-02-2020, 10:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Uh, I don't recall it ever being stated that what that officer did to George Floyd was within policy. Source? "The manual of the Minneapolis Police Department states that neck restraints and chokeholds are basically reserved for when an officer feels caught in a life-or-death situation. There was no apparent threat of that nature in Mr. Floyd’s detention." From a nyt article. On my phone, I'll try to link later. From that and other articles,standing on someone's neck is in policy, but leaves that giant gray area of "when they feel threatened."
09-02-2020, 10:40 PM
(09-02-2020, 10:34 PM)Benton Wrote: "The manual of the Minneapolis Police Department states that neck restraints and chokeholds are basically reserved for when an officer feels caught in a life-or-death situation. There was no apparent threat of that nature in Mr. Floyd’s detention." Thank you, this was much more informative than that provided above. Seeing as how he was on Floyd's neck for over eight minutes, Floyd hadn't resisted for some time and he had three officers backing him up I'd say this restraint was not covered by policy. Noe one has yet covered my question though, what police official, or other official, made the assertion that the Floyd restrain was within policy?
09-02-2020, 11:58 PM
(09-02-2020, 10:40 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Thank you, this was much more informative than that provided above. Seeing as how he was on Floyd's neck for over eight minutes, Floyd hadn't resisted for some time and he had three officers backing him up I'd say this restraint was not covered by policy. Oh, as far as an official saying it was "legal" I can't recall. If only there was someone to be held accountable for his officers' training. Maybe someone who was ultimately responsible for department policy? I get what you're saying, but the chain of command is ultimately responsible for the actions of staff. There were multiple complaints against the department for the technique. There were multiple complaints against some of the officers involved for excessive force (although I can't say if there were previous complaints against the officers involved for that technique, I've never heard). As long as leadership passively accepts incidents, those maneuvers will continue to be used. Cobra Kai students used distasteful tactics. Johnny Lawrence found out and shut that down. Police officials should be more like Johnny Lawrence.
09-03-2020, 12:16 AM
(09-02-2020, 11:58 PM)Benton Wrote: Oh, as far as an official saying it was "legal" I can't recall. Not legal, although it should certainly be that as well, but within policy. Quote:If only there was someone to be held accountable for his officers' training. Maybe someone who was ultimately responsible for department policy? That would be the City Council for a city police department. Unless things are done differently in MN. Quote:I get what you're saying, but the chain of command is ultimately responsible for the actions of staff. There were multiple complaints against the department for the technique. There were multiple complaints against some of the officers involved for excessive force (although I can't say if there were previous complaints against the officers involved for that technique, I've never heard). As long as leadership passively accepts incidents, those maneuvers will continue to be used. Err, yes and no. Higher ups can't be responsible for the every day actions of the rank and file. What I mean by this is if, using me as an example, say I approve the time card of an officer who falsifies his information. Unless I was in a position that I should have known the time card contained fraudulent information it is not a fault on my part when I approve it. As to the previous complaints, that's another matter. LEO's can accrue false complaints, especially when a certain group (i.e. gangs etc.) decides they're causing them too much trouble and organize mass complaints, so you do have to adequately investigate them before making any determination. But then you run into the issue of how effective such investigations are. Quote:Cobra Kai students used distasteful tactics. Johnny Lawrence found out and shut that down. Police officials should be more like Johnny Lawrence. This reminds me, I really have to watch that show. Seeing William Zabka as a good guy for once (as opposed to Karate Kid, Just One of the Guys (a classic!), and Back to School) will be very interesting. He was the villain of my childhood.
09-03-2020, 01:39 AM
What are the exact charges that the prosecution is going for against the officer that killed George Floyd? Out of curiosity what would be the legal ramifications of going for a 1st degree murder charge vs a defense arguing that the cop was grossly negligent in his use of handbook allowed neck holds or whatever?
09-03-2020, 02:10 AM
(09-03-2020, 12:16 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not legal, although it should certainly be that as well, but within policy.I thought it was great (cobra kai, not improper police behavior). The wife and I binged the first two seasons and it's nice to have a show where there's no real good guy. It's all gray. But everyone stays true to character.
09-03-2020, 01:15 PM
(09-03-2020, 02:10 AM)Benton Wrote: I thought it was great (cobra kai, not improper police behavior). The wife and I binged the first two seasons and it's nice to have a show where there's no real good guy. It's all gray. But everyone stays true to character. Loved it. Seeing Ralph Macchio look both old and young at the exact same time is just weird. Also, I can't count the number of times I wanted to slap Daniel up the back of his head. Seeing the relationship between Johnny and Miguel, whoo, almost makes me cry. And the way they ended the 2nd season? I was about to crane kick my wall. :angry:
09-03-2020, 05:59 PM
(09-02-2020, 10:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Uh, I don't recall it ever being stated that what that officer did to George Floyd was within policy. Source? Lots of people are supporting Chauvin's legal defense based on this.
09-03-2020, 08:50 PM
(09-03-2020, 05:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Lots of people are supporting Chauvin's legal defense based on this. I further clarified did any official claim it was within policy? Of course the officer is going to claim it was, that's just good defense lawyering, eh Fred? |
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