Trey Hendrickson Update

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(06-03-2025, 10:29 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: MaHommes is severely underpaid. Yet, he has not demanded a new contract and chooses to honor his current contract.

You're absolutely wrong. 

He got $43.3m moved forward in his contract back in 2023 to be spread over 3 years giving himself an extra $14.43m/yr. 

He's made $105.1m over the previous 2 seasons and has another $50m in cash coming this year. So 2023-2025 he will get more cash than Joe Burrow. Then when those now reduced years come around in the future, he'll get it fixed again.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(06-03-2025, 09:49 AM)c766 Wrote: Who cares about his feelings? It’s the NFL - you would make a horrible gm if you let feelings dictate player contracts.  

And He just got a contract raise and extension 22 months ago.

He is under contract for the next 2 years, as far as the bengals are concerned.

Not talking about feelings. I am talking about keeping your best players happy. They won't produce well if they are unhappy, hell they might
not even play. Agree on not letting a player dictate contracts and agree on him being under contract, but still he was the league leader in sacks
last year and should be paid more than he is. Problem is he evidently wants too much considering his age.

[Luvnit2]

(06-03-2025, 01:04 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: You're absolutely wrong. 

He got $43.3m moved forward in his contract back in 2023 to be spread over 3 years giving himself an extra $14.43m/yr. 

He's made $105.1m over the previous 2 seasons and has another $50m in cash coming this year. So 2023-2025 he will get more cash than Joe Burrow. Then when those now reduced years come around in the future, he'll get it fixed again.

How am I wrong? The team did not give him an extra 43 million, they gave him money from his existing contract early.

 If they wanted to give him an extra 43 million, why didn't they?

[*rfaulk34*]

(06-03-2025, 02:16 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: How am I wrong? The team did not give him an extra 43 million, they gave him money from his existing contract early.

 If they wanted to give him an extra 43 million, why didn't they?

You were wrong by saying he's severely underpaid. 10yr $450M total contract. He has security and top money. 

[*bfine32*]

(06-03-2025, 02:16 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: How am I wrong? The team did not give him an extra 43 million, they gave him money from his existing contract early.

 If they wanted to give him an extra 43 million, why didn't they?

For some reason folks have tried to make as if Mahome's contract was not team friendly in an unprecedented way and only restructures when the Teams asks him to. He should be applauded by everyone.

All the following has an AAV higher than Mahomes. I'd say he's underpaid:

Dak Prescott

Joe Burrow

Josh Allen

Jordan Love

Trevor Lawrence

Tua Tagovailoa

Jared Goff

Brock Purdy

Justin Herbert

Lamar Jackson

Jalen Hurts

Kyler Murray

Deshaun Watson

Kirk Cousins

[Nicomo Cosca]

Cryptic social media post season is upon us.

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(06-03-2025, 03:27 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Cryptic social media post season is upon us.

his caption referenced this bible verse: And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." 

[c766]

(06-03-2025, 03:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: For some reason folks have tried to make as if Mahome's contract was not team friendly in an unprecedented way and only restructures when the Teams asks him to. He should be applauded by everyone.

All the following has an AAV higher than Mahomes. I'd say he's underpaid:

Dak Prescott

Joe Burrow

Josh Allen

Jordan Love

Trevor Lawrence

Tua Tagovailoa

Jared Goff

Brock Purdy

Justin Herbert

Lamar Jackson

Jalen Hurts

Kyler Murray

Deshaun Watson

Kirk Cousins

That is because Bengals FanBoys want them to overpay Hendrickson just cause he wants a new contract

[Southpaw Frerotte]

(06-03-2025, 03:35 PM)c766 Wrote: That is because Bengals FanBoys want them to overpay Hendrickson just cause he wants a new contract

If there was an option that involved the Bengals using their cap space to sign a free agent to improve their roster, I would have no issue with the Bengals balking at Hendrickson's contract negotiations.  However, the Bengals don't appear to be doing that.  So yeah, if the options are between the Bengals extending Hendrickson or the Brown family pocketing the extra cap space, then it's an absolute no brainer as to what I want them to do.  

[*rfaulk34*]

(06-03-2025, 03:35 PM)c766 Wrote: That is because Bengals FanBoys want them to overpay Hendrickson just cause he wants a new contract

Or maybe people who know how to use their brain know some want the Bengals to simply pay him his worth. 

Others who don't know how to use their brain...i can't speak for them. This isn't really that difficult.

[Luvnit2]

(06-03-2025, 02:45 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You were wrong by saying he's severely underpaid. 10yr $450M total contract. He has security and top money. 

Mahommes is severlely underpaid. He is one of the GOAT in his prime and all he does is win. Give me a break, his 45 million per year is far below worse QB's. Yet, he does noes whine and beg to be extended every year.

[*rfaulk34*]

(06-03-2025, 05:39 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Mahommes is severlely underpaid. He is one of the GOAT in his prime and all he does is win. Give me a break, his 45 million per year is far below worse QB's. Yet, he does noes whine and beg to be extended every year.

$450M. AVY is used by the media to compare players. It's not what they actually make year to year. Their actual cap hits vary significantly. The total amount of money they will receive determines who is paid well and who isn't.

You lose the argument.

[*rfaulk34*]

One more thing that should be obvious to everyone is that player to player, each guy handles their wants and needs differently. Mahomes (that's how his name is spelled) should be applauded for how he agrees to his terms. 

Trey is being a bit unrealistic on years, but the Bengals don't seem to be willing to negotiate. They seem to have their number and they're sticking to it. Same as they did with Whit.

[NUGDUKWE]

(06-03-2025, 05:39 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Mahommes is severlely underpaid. He is one of the GOAT in his prime and all he does is win. Give me a break, his 45 million per year is far below worse QB's. Yet, he does noes whine and beg to be extended every year.

So Mahomes is an interesting situation to me. In 2020 he signed the 10yr 450 million contract which is the 45 mil per year number. But in 2023 they agreed to a contract restructure that guaranteed him 210 million over the next 4yrs with escalators to reach 218 million which was the most in NFL history at the time so an average of 52.5 to 54.2 million per year. So they will revisit the contract in 2026. Also the Chiefs are not afraid to restructure players to free up cap space giving players more of theyre cash at the time of restructuring. So to act like Mahomes is underpaid and just sits quietly and takes it because that's what he signed is not accurate. Twice since 2020 the Chiefs have given him the highest average in NFL history. Trey has never received that kind of pay (not saying he should) but to act like he's being whiney isn't accurate.

[NUGDUKWE]

(06-03-2025, 05:48 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: One more thing that should be obvious to everyone is that player to player, each guy handles their wants and needs differently. Mahomes (that's how his name is spelled) should be applauded for how he agrees to his terms. 

Trey is being a bit unrealistic on years, but the Bengals don't seem to be willing to negotiate. They seem to have their number and they're sticking to it. Same as they did with Whit.

If it is years that is the big hang up on the contract than it makes the Bengals look so much worse in my opinion. I get he's older but if you give him a 3 year extension locking him up the next four seasons. If he starts to gradually decline and he isn't that good in year 3 cut your losses in that last year. It's like the Bengals are willing to risk losing talent and lesser chance of winning in order to avoid a relatively small amount of dead money.

[basballguy]

(06-03-2025, 06:03 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: If it is years that is the big hang up on the contract than it makes the Bengals look so much worse in my opinion. I get he's older but if you give him a 3 year extension locking him up the next four seasons. If he starts to gradually decline and he isn't that good in year 3 cut your losses in that last year. It's like the Bengals are willing to risk losing talent and lesser chance of winning in order to avoid a relatively small amount of dead money.

That assumes the guaranteed money is low.  If Trey is looking for years and guaranteed money then it makes sense?  

[NUGDUKWE]

(06-03-2025, 06:11 PM)basballguy Wrote: That assumes the guaranteed money is low.  If Trey is looking for years and guaranteed money then it makes sense?  

i get that we don't know all the details. But he has signed 2 contracts with the Bengals so I'm assuming the guarantees aren't a deal breaker for him. Also he has said the years are the big thing to him and everything else is negotiable. 

[Joelist]

Let's remember that the team has already paid out over 160 million in cash into escrow this offseason. If Trey is looking for bigger guarantees there may not be sufficient cash available to cover the guarantee in escrow. Maybe he would be better served taking the 28 million deal or possibly a variant on it that has a guarantee that activates next season when there is more available cash.

[c766]

(06-03-2025, 06:14 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: i get that we don't know all the details. But he has signed 2 contracts with the Bengals so I'm assuming the guarantees aren't a deal breaker for him. Also he has said the years are the big thing to him and everything else is negotiable. 

At age 30, this is his last big contract.  He is going to care about the guaranteed money more than the term length 10000%

[NUGDUKWE]

(06-03-2025, 06:34 PM)c766 Wrote: At age 30, this is his last big contract.  He is going to care about the guaranteed money more than the term length 10000%

That's a possibility. But from what he has said and the history we've seen with him he doesnt have a problem signing the type of contracts the Bengals offer as guarantees go.