Bengals fire Lou Anarumo, Frank Pollack, James Bettcher and Marion Hobby

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-06-2025, 06:16 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Especially in the SF game. So he said he wouldn't take the ball out of his QBs hands again, now he's getting slammed for that. I mean they're paying the guy a quarter billion dollars. Let him cook.

I’m all for letting him cook (trust me I’m a big WR guy lol), but we also need to be able to close out games on the ground. Joe’s INT late in the first Ravens game this season is a perfect example.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-06-2025, 06:18 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: LOL . . . Sure, I guess if you're a PFF believer.
#2 rated guard in PFF in 2021 . . . never took another snap in the NFL. Not one team called him in 2022. Doesn't that seem odd to you?

Never said he was great. I said he didn’t regress here.

[Frank Booth]

(01-06-2025, 06:12 PM)Gohards Wrote: Nah, thats how you keep your elite qb happy.

Im sorry, but at this point i am willing to take joe burrows gm skills over duke tobins.

just know youre wrong

[Soonerpeace]

I think having Tee is really important to the offense. I’m in favoring that the three make it work. The OL is #30 ( always rated bad) yet the offense #6. Having Tee is a big part of that.

[*ochocincos*]

(01-06-2025, 05:33 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: For sure, need more athletic O-lineman with strength and better technique on the interior.

I new OL coach can help with the technique, but athleticism and strength cannot really be coached up. Neither can heart.


Well, I am sure players like that would look a lot better with Bill or Dante. Jonah Williams was the consensus most safe pick in his Draft 
according to most and had a better year this year in Zona. Mims is the only one there that could be great of that bunch though that is 
for sure. Not good picks besides Mims.

Also the proven FA's the FO brought in were better on their previous teams which is a sign of poor coaching.

I don't think strength itself is the problem, I think it's much more technique, leverage, and hand placement.
DL is getting under and into the OL, driving them back on skates.

[Frank Booth]

(01-06-2025, 06:27 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I think having Tee is really important to the offense. I’m in favoring that the three make it work. The OL is #30 ( always rated bad) yet the offense #6. Having Tee is a big part of that.

if you improve even just 1 of the guard positions, the offense is going to get marginally better. Cappa and Volson were literally the 2 worst guards in the league. Tee isnt as important when the guard position is actually competent

this nonsense that they NEED Tee and need to listen to everything joe says is some real loser mentality garbage. Here's a real shot to improve the team, and some fans just want to give Tee 20 million to play 10 games out of 17

[Brownshoe]

(01-06-2025, 05:05 PM)Wyche Wrote: Have you followed this team very long? LoL. They haven't hit on ANY lineman since Sam Hubbard.....that includes offensive linemen. I got news for ya pal, these personnel issues go back to the Marvin Lewis regime. Hint.....it ain't the coaches now, and it wasn't then....and I blamed Marvin for a lot of it. 

That's not how things work.....some coaches are managers of the team, others have a focus on one side of the ball or the other. The manager types let the coordinators run their units. Guys like Reid run the offense and stay out of the way of the defense. Guys like Belichick let OC run the offense and they run the defense. You act like that's something that has never happened in the league and isn't actually rather common. 

Now, starting slow, and some other critiques are one thing, but just making up stuff is another. The Bengals have been poor at evaluating talent for 40 ***** years, but let's blame Zac.

Wyche, if you don't remember I've been posting on these message boards for over 15 years (crazy to think that this site is almost 10 years old and I was posting on the mothership for a while). I know that our drafting has been pretty awful. Tobin is only around still (IMO) because he's not demanding to be a GM so Brown can keep that title as well as owner. We both should know that because our scouting department is so much smaller than everyone else that we use our coaches as scouts and evaluators as well. Yes, bad drafts fall on Tobin just as much as Zac. If I had to guess whoever the HC is has more of a say in who we draft as well. 

Yes, coaches have specialties but they're still the head coach. They still are in charge of both offense and defense. They're still in charge of shaping both sides of the field. As a "offensive" coach Zac probably goes along with mostly whatever the DC says, but it still falls on him to fix something if the DC isn't doing a good job. It's not good if a HC is oblivious on everything but offense.

[Joelist]

Now we'll see if the team is able to evaluate the players they have on roster in terms of what scheme they work best in. Pollack is a respected coach around the league but he has a specific system he teaches and uses and it seems just to be incompatible with our offense especially with Burrow leading it. So this time accurately describe the scheme and get the correct OL coach that fits this scheme.

Defensively it's the same call - accurately work out what these players do best and here a DC who can scheme to the strengths of his players.

[pulses]

(01-06-2025, 01:15 PM)motoarch Wrote: Didn't even read what I wrote.

What exactly is you're M.O.?
 

He's just an idiot troll nevermind him.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

If Joe Burrow wants to retain Tee Higgins then I believe this must be seriously considered. I know what the Bengals’ offense looks like with Tee on the sideline and it’s not pretty. With Tee out of the game the entire opposing secondary can roll toward Ja’Marr Chase. Having Tee on the field makes Ja’Marr more dangerous and the converse is also true.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(01-06-2025, 04:00 PM)wadirumm Wrote: Even this crow I'm eating tastes, not bad

From personal experience, I can testify that sometimes it can be delicious. 

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(01-06-2025, 06:50 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: If Joe Burrow wants to retain Tee Higgins then I believe this must be seriously considered.  I know what the Bengals’ offense looks like with Tee on the sideline and it’s not pretty.  With Tee out of the game the entire opposing secondary can roll toward Ja’Marr Chase.  Having Tee on the field makes Ja’Marr more dangerous and the converse is also true.

And we need a real #3 option in the passing game. Especially given Tee's injury struggles. Yoshi isn't it. Burton sure as HELL isn't. Sample isn't. All's injury history makes relying on him foolish. Gesicki did a nicecjob as WR3/TE2, but is a FA. 

We need a lot. But if all the A list defensive guys are gone (Graham, Johnson, Carter, Hunter, Starks), as seems likely, and most/all of the B+ guys as well (Wilson, M. Williams, Scourton), then Tyler Warren looks awful tempting if he's still there. Instant #3 option who can also block. 

I like ZT's alacrity in getting these spots filled. FA in in 2 months, draft in 3. New guys ate gonna need to get in and evaluate our guys on film, and what is out there. 

Allen, Salah, Eberflus, Livingston, Golden, or another NFL assistant, whomever, but get 'em in here. Pronto.

[*ochocincos*]

(01-06-2025, 06:11 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Both those teams actually got something for those guys though. They should have traded Tee before last season if he wasn’t part of the long term plans.

Both of those guys were also coming off 1100-1200+ yard seasons and their team's WR1.
Higgins is going to get less in a trade because he's the 2nd option and hasn't even reached 1100 yards once in his career.
I think he can if he's treated as WR1 on a team to get enough targets and stay healthy long enough, but he's limited production-wise in Cincy unless Chase goes down for a decent length of time.

[Nepa]

I came to the thread thinking it would be filled with universal joy over the firing of Frank Pollack (for sure) and Lou.  Instead, for many it became like a lynching mob, where they wouldn't be happy until Zac was hung up as well.

I don't understand the mindset of those to attribute Joe Burrow as almost solely responsible for everything that goes right with the offense and Zac is just a lucky SOB, hanging on Burrow coat tails. A world where Burrow makes all the calls on offense that go right and where some even credit him with getting Pollack and Lou fired. Did posters forget the lesson of Carson Palmer - a number 1 pick, pro-bowl, all-pro player, who never won a single, playoff game with Cincinnati? Who when he left the Bengals ended up taking his Arizona team to the NFC Championship Game?

Zac crafted an offense game play around Burrow -- something that works for Burrow and the team and allows Burrow's immense talent to shine. Despite the lack of a good offense line. Carson Palmer would have loved to have such a coach, who worked with him to allow him to reach his full potential and win playoff games with the Bengals, not have to go to Arizona to finally find playoff success.

[Soonerpeace]

(01-06-2025, 06:32 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: if you improve even just 1 of the guard positions, the offense is going to get marginally better. Cappa and Volson were literally the 2 worst guards in the league. Tee isnt as important when the guard position is actually competent

this nonsense that they NEED Tee and need to listen to everything joe says is some real loser mentality garbage. Here's a real shot to improve the team, and some fans just want to give Tee 20 million to play 10 games out of 17

I’m good and I get your opinion. I’m not in favor of mortgaging the rest of the teams future. But boy he so compliments Chase. I agree about a good guard.

[*ochocincos*]

(01-06-2025, 07:10 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: And we need a real #3 option in the passing game. Especially given Tee's injury struggles. Yoshi isn't it. Burton sure as HELL isn't. Sample isn't. All's injury history makes relying on him foolish. Gesicki did a nicecjob as WR3/TE2, but is a FA. 

We need a lot. But if all the A list defensive guys are gone (Graham, Johnson, Carter, Hunter, Starks), as seems likely, and most/all of the B+ guys as well (Wilson, M. Williams, Scourton), then Tyler Warren looks awful tempting if he's still there. Instant #3 option who can also block. 

I like ZT's alacrity in getting these spots filled. FA in in 2 months, draft in 3. New guys ate gonna need to get in and evaluate our guys on film, and what is out there. 

Allen, Salah, Eberflus, Livingston, Golden, or another NFL assistant, whomever, but get 'em in here. Pronto.

On the broadcast during one of the NFL games this weekend, two of the analysts had Tyler Warren in their Top 5 overall prospects.
He's definitely not a B-tier guy talent-wise, just playing at a devalued position.
But as we've seen with guys like Bowers and Pitts, if you're talented enough, a team will take you in the Top 10-15.

LV is an example of how to properly utilize your elite 1st round TE (8th in the league in receiving yards, 6th in targets).
ATL is an example of how not to (66th in yards, 73rd in targets).

Related note - How awesome would it be to find a way to get Pitts either in a trade this year or in FA next year? Dude only just turned 24 years old.
Maybe keep Gesicki for 1 more year then get Pitts on a multi-year deal next offseason?! (A guy can dream)

[GridironMonarch]

(01-06-2025, 11:48 AM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Thank you for listening to my sig

IKR? You called it throughout, I've noticed. Props where props were due. NEEDED to happen. 

Hopefully they are not replacing them with some other doofuses (or is it Doofi?) 

We shall see! Good call! 

[ERIC1]

(01-06-2025, 06:50 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: If Joe Burrow wants to retain Tee Higgins then I believe this must be seriously considered. I know what the Bengals’ offense looks like with Tee on the sideline and it’s not pretty. With Tee out of the game the entire opposing secondary can roll toward Ja’Marr Chase. Having Tee on the field makes Ja’Marr more dangerous and the converse is also true.

Not if we have capable ancillary receivers..did you watch the detroit game...even playing second and third stringers because of injuries...that team looked awesome without superstar receivers..the bengals need to focus on the trenches...get out of this mindset we can win it all with joe...and so should the fans

[ERIC1]

(01-06-2025, 07:16 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I’m good and I get your opinion. I’m not in favor of mortgaging the rest of the teams future. But boy he so compliments Chase. I agree about a good guard.

......any damn receiver that can consistently run routes and catch the football... will take the pressure off chase...this nonsense about tee has gotten old..i sure would not pay 23 million for a receiver that misses 5 games every year...and misses half a game another 5 times a year

[Housh]

I can’t remember one d lineman that got better when they got here besides Trey