(08-31-2016, 04:32 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Thinking people can't be racist towards white people is racist.
Same as how I never understood the people who use terms like "reverse" racism or "reverse" sexism... as if racism and sexism are only actually a thing if you're not a white male.
Ugh.
Yes, white people can be subjected to individual cases of racism. A black person can kill a white person because they're white. These things have happened, I'm sure.
But, in America, there are, literally, no cases of systematic or institutional racism that affect white people.
Which is, kind of, the topic of discussion right now.
Unless I'm wrong. Have you ever experienced institutional racism as a white person? Because I know I haven't.
(08-31-2016, 01:52 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: Is it possible you were witnessing entitled OSU athletes?
That's possible, but I thought them to be a bit younger.
I just couldn't get near the Nikes and wanted to get my daughter out, before she got hit by a shoe and all hell broke loose.
I went and brought a pair of Brooks at Dicks, instead.
(08-31-2016, 11:47 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Does being looked at like I should cease to exist, because I walked into a "black" barbershop count ?
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I'd say no more than the time my wife and I stopped at a bar we'd never been to (but was within 10 minutes of our home) to get a six pack and the redneck locals stared us down until we paid and left!
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(08-31-2016, 11:50 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'd say no more than the time my wife and I stopped at a bar we'd never been to (but was within 10 minutes of our home) to get a six pack and the redneck locals stared us down until we paid and left!
They were staring at your fun-bags.
Not your wife's, yours.
*banjos play*
I've actually had the opposite experience, at "black" bars.
They think I'm crazy, but are social.
Now... the industrial lesbian bars...... those chicks tell you to get the hell out.
I won them over with slam-dancing though.
(08-31-2016, 08:57 PM)jason Wrote: There is one similarity though. Ali was thoroughly shit on by many Americans back then for his beliefs. It's softened over the years, but at one time he was FOI, and one of Elijah Mohammad's boys. White America wanted Joe Frazier to beat his ass when he did return to the ring. Ali even rubbed elbows with at least one dictator (Mobutu of Zaire). The shirt Kaepernick was wearing was of Malcolm X meeting Castro. Malcolm X was also Ali's boy. Time has softened our view of him, but your point stands.
Action over words.
True.....and those were different times. African Americans were still struggling through the tail end of the civil rights era.
Yeah, knew that about the shirt.....he shoulda worn one without a ruthless dictator on it to convey support for X and freedom. I remember the 90s....they make X gear without ol Fidel on it. He's a doofus......
(08-31-2016, 05:00 PM)xxlt Wrote: My eyes sort of glazed over at some point reading the thread... saw this bolded phrase... wondered what it refers to?
I have seen many memes slamming Colin K because he is wealthy - i.e. there is one wealthy black man (tokenism, anyone?) ergo there is no oppression. - Is that what you are talking about Wyche? - Or, maybe the "logic" is there is oppression but no wealthy man is entitled to acknowledge or complain about it, because, you know, you can't have an opinion about ANYTHING that is outside of your current personal experience. And if that is the "logic" then where do these angry chalkie bastards get off having an opinion about Colin - who is a millionaire and black and a pro athlete - and they are none of the three?
Aye carumba!
No.....society as a whole. Divide and conquer. Colin ain't got shit for money compared to the people I'm talking about. We're talking about the boys with enough coin to buy the "government".
(08-31-2016, 09:57 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If you haven't seen Bill Burr's take on Yoko you should give it a listen. Definitely good for a laugh.
That is pretty amusing, but between the whole Yoko thing and singing I am the Walrus and so on I think Lennon was more about getting off on the power he had over the public. Basically, he noticed the way people idolized and hung on his every word so he wrote a song full of gibberish and watched the masses eat it up and babble on and on (for what...50 years and some change now?) about goo goo ga joob and so on.
McCartney wasn't as intentional but he wasn't immune to this either. His first post-Beatles solo album was half an album padded out with faceless instrumentals and half-baked nonsense that would make a high school garage band embarrassed to have on a hastily recorded demo tape...but it's Sir Paul so the album is lauded and has been remastered and re-released a zillion times.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Beatles but I truly think John Lennon was cynically trolling the hell out of our gullible asses much of the time. Then again, the total shite avant garde albums he made didn't sell too well so perhaps he got a bit humble for a bit there. Still, to get back to politics Lennon's demeanor sort of reminds me of Trump's. You know you have stupidly loyal support, so why not sadistically rub people's faces in it? They deserve it for being such morons.
It appears CK viewed his actions as disrespectful in retrospect. Last night he joined his teammates on the sidelines and took a knee. I see this as a more respectful approach to resolve his cognitive dissonance.
(09-02-2016, 12:29 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It appears CK viewed his actions as disrespectful in retrospect. Last night he joined his teammates on the sidelines and took a knee. I see this as a more respectful approach to resolve his cognitive dissonance.
So sort of pretending to pray (or assume a praying stance) makes it less disrespectful?
We live in a weird world.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(09-02-2016, 12:29 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It appears CK viewed his actions as disrespectful in retrospect. Last night he joined his teammates on the sidelines and took a knee. I see this as a more respectful approach to resolve his cognitive dissonance.
Yes, he sat down and had a talk with some folks, apparently, and understood the way it could be taken by soldiers and their families.....kudos to him for acknowledging he could take a stand against the system, but keep people's feelings in mind.
I also saw where he was going to donate the proceeds from his jersey sales, and like a million dollars of his salary back into the community. Now, I haven't seen any details as to what community and when, but if sincere (and why wouldn't he be), then this is the gesture I wanted to see from him, and his stance would not ring hollow. If he follows through, good on him.
(09-08-2016, 02:15 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Yes, he sat down and had a talk with some folks, apparently, and understood the way it could be taken by soldiers and their families.....kudos to him for acknowledging he could take a stand against the system, but keep people's feelings in mind.
I also saw where he was going to donate the proceeds from his jersey sales, and like a million dollars of his salary back into the community. Now, I haven't seen any details as to what community and when, but if sincere (and why wouldn't he be), then this is the gesture I wanted to see from him, and his stance would not ring hollow. If he follows through, good on him.
Exactly, CK is looking better and perhaps others will follow.
Although, someone here equated the kneeling to prayer; I equate it to the saying in the Military "take a knee". It is said when we want someone to relax and listen quietly. I think the Military vet he spoke with most likely pointed to this.
(09-08-2016, 02:26 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Exactly, CK is looking better and perhaps others will follow.
Although, someone here equated the kneeling to prayer; I equate it to the saying in the Military "take a knee". It is said when we want someone to relax and listen quietly. I think the Military vet he spoke with most likely pointed to this.
Quote:Where did Colin Kaepernick get start as an activist?
They remember the conservative haircut he wore at John Pitman High School, and now they see the Afro and cornrows. They remember his studious and soft-spoken ways from a decade ago, and now they see him refusing to stand for the national anthem and agitating for social change.
In Turlock, Calif., where Colin Kaepernick was raised, many residents have asked some version of the same question: What in the heck happened to our hometown hero?
But those who knew Kaepernick at the University of Nevada at Reno, where attended from 2006-10 and was a star quarterback before getting drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in 2011, say they’re not at all confused.
“Anyone who wants to characterize this as some new black awareness on his behalf just simply doesn’t know him or didn’t do the diligence,’’ Reg Stewart, director of the Center for Student Cultural Diversity at Nevada-Reno when Kaepernick was in school, told USA TODAY Sports. “It’s not like I turned on the TV and was like, ‘Wow, where did this come from?’ I was like, ‘You know what, he has been thinking about these issues for at least the time I’ve known him.’ ’’
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Kaepernick grew up in Turlock, but he came of age in Reno, suggested classmates such as DeAndre Bowden, who played football with Kaepernick at Nevada.
“All the rumors you hear about him having this new girlfriend who’s making him do all this, nah, he’s in the same guy,’’ Bowden told USA TODAY Sports.
“He’s just in a position now where he’s more comfortable where he can make that happen.’’
Turlock, by all accounts, is not a place where Kaepernick would have been inclined to protest the oppression of African Americans.
Kaepernick is biracial and grew up in a city where African Americans comprise less than 2% of the population. Adopted by white parents and playing sports on predominantly white teams, Kaepernick blended in, said Jeremy Hibbs, who played sports with and against Kaepernick.
Hibbs and most other residents of Turlock never saw what transpired in Reno, where as a junior Kaepernick joined Kappa Alpha Psi, a historically black fraternity.
Dean Bart-Plange was the fraternity president when Kaepernick inquired about joining Kappa Alpha Psi during the spring semester of Kaepernick’s junior year. It was unusual for football players to pledge a fraternity, much less as an upperclassman.
“You could tell he was searching for some type of platform where he could make a difference," Bart-Plange told USA TODAY Sports. “He was saying he wanted to do more than just football. He felt like he needed to make a difference.’’
Kaepernick recalled thinking at the time, "Where do I start?"
When asked how his experience with the fraternity helped shape him and his social activism, Kaepernick told USA TODAY Sports, "It goes back to brotherhood. These communities are people. We need to address them like people. We need to help them like people. A lot of times we turn a blind eye and we create a stigma or perception that these are not people that are dying. We have got people dying on American soil from American officials. That’s not right.''
Brandon Marshall, the Denver Broncos linebacker who played at Nevada-Reno, said he encouraged Kaepernick to attend an event to learn more about the fraternity.
“I told him about it and then he hit me up,’’ Marshall told USA TODAY Sports. “I was actually late. He said, 'I’m here man, where you at?’ That’s how I knew he was serious.’’
Marshall, who joined the fraternity that same semester, said what he saw at Nevada-Reno aligned with what he’s seeing now.
“He cares a lot,’’ Marshall said. “He’s always wanted to make a change.’’
At the black student union meetings at Nevada-Reno, Kaepernick was outspoken about issues such as attracting more African Americans to the campus, Bart-Plange said.
“He would let us know, we’ve got to get everybody unified,’’ Bart-Plange said. “The only way we’re going to get better is together, that’s how we’re stronger, power in numbers, educating each other.’’
Kaepernick’s increasing identification as African American began as soon as he arrived at Reno, according to Stewart. African Americans made up about 4% of the student body, but Stewart suggested the university's cultural diversity center gave Kaepernick an outlet to find his identity as an African American.
USA TODAY
How national anthem protests bring out worst in people
“He may not have had a platform or vehicle to express blackness because that was not part of his community dynamic (in Turlock),’’ said Stewart, now the vice president for diversity and inclusion at Iowa State. “But the moment he got to college and he had access to a larger black community, there’s no way you can dispute that that was his college experience.’’
Once Kaepernick joined the fraternity, however, race remained an issue, according to Bart-Plange, who said some black students were jealous that Kaepernick got financial help from his white adoptive parents.
Bart-Plange said the issue came to a head during a party at Kaepernick’s place when an African American student made a comment about Kaepernick’s white parents paying rent.
“He set that guy straight,’’ Bart-Plange said. “He let him know how hard he does work for everything he has.’’
Zack Cook, who is biracial and a former president of the Kappa Alphi Psi chapter in Reno, said he felt a kinship with Kaepernick.
“It’s hard to know where you fit in because a lot of times you’re too black for your white friends and you’re too white for your black friends,'' Cook said.
"Most people around you don't really understand. ...
"The more I got to know (Kaepernick), the more I realized how humble and how genuine a person he was. I remember being very impressed with the way he carried himself.''
During those years, Stewart said, he discussed with Kaepernick and other African American students how to express one’s views in an effective and non-aggressive way. He said he sees Kaepernick’s decision to kneel during the national anthem as a manifestation of those talks.
“What he’s doing is absolutely and directly in line with how he’ s always communicated," Stewart said. “He is very, very smart and very intellectual. He’s a very deep thinker. And at some point, he made the decision that this was important enough for him to act.’’
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
Colin Kapernick benches self for National Anthem
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He's a doofus......
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