06-30-2015, 01:51 AM
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The Justices spar over the constitutionality of the death penalty
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06-30-2015, 01:58 AM
(06-30-2015, 01:46 AM)Benton Wrote: Go down a post or two. Or up. I'm getting confused in all the responses. So do you think society should not judge man? Jesus said he did not come to abolish the judgement; merely to forgive it. There are plenty passages where Jesus stated we stand judgement and even states it you take up the sword (kill) you will die by the sword (kill) You really can't have it half way.
06-30-2015, 02:03 AM
(06-30-2015, 01:51 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Where does the scripture say that?Deuteronomy 19:18 The rest just smacks of ignorance. It has been explained.
06-30-2015, 02:04 AM
(06-30-2015, 01:58 AM)bfine32 Wrote: So do you think society should not judge man? Jesus was preaching AGAINST violence when he told Peter to put away his sword. And you use that to justify the death penalty?
06-30-2015, 02:06 AM
(06-30-2015, 02:04 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Jesus was preaching AGAINST violence when he told Peter to put away his sword. He warned Peter of the Judgement for violence. Yes.
06-30-2015, 02:08 AM
06-30-2015, 02:10 AM
(06-30-2015, 02:08 AM)fredtoast Wrote: So no one can ever be sentenced to death without at least 2 or 3 witnesses? As I said. The death Penalty should be reserved for extreme circumstances. You've just been too busy trying to bash the Christians to notice what was said.
06-30-2015, 02:15 AM
(06-30-2015, 01:58 AM)bfine32 Wrote: So do you think society should not judge man? Eh, he wasn't saying if you commit violence the state should kill you. Good attempt at perverting the passage. What Jesus said was that if you live by violence, you will have violence done unto you. If you're referring to Matthew specifically, he was warning Matthew to abandon violence. Jesus did not advocate killing anyone. Ever.
06-30-2015, 02:16 AM
(06-30-2015, 02:10 AM)bfine32 Wrote: You've just been too busy trying to bash the Christians to notice what was said. My first comments in this thread had nothing to do with morality. It was about how the system was flawed. Your first post was squealing about how people who are pro-choice and anti-death penalty are hypocrites. So don't blame me for making this a religious discussion.
06-30-2015, 02:17 AM
(06-30-2015, 02:03 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Deuteronomy 19:18 That's so OT.
06-30-2015, 02:17 AM
06-30-2015, 03:30 AM
(06-30-2015, 01:45 AM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Thought that I'd put this out there. It doesn't necessarily support either side of the argument. Interesting for sure... To add to this... Yours was 2004. I found a 2014 ... Here : http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/national-polls-and-studies Quote: Barna Group (1/2014): Support for Death Penalty Low Among Christians, Particularly Younger Members
06-30-2015, 03:32 AM
(06-30-2015, 01:44 AM)Benton Wrote: To the bolded, no. It isn't, and that's the problem. Courts were set up and have been molded over time by people who specialize in the law. Interesting... Thanks for answering my post.
06-30-2015, 07:00 AM
(06-30-2015, 01:27 AM)bfine32 Wrote: God's first guidance in Human Governance was If you shed man's blood then your blood should be shed by man. How many homosexuals have you stoned so far? You DO follow the word to the letter...don't you? Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
06-30-2015, 07:30 AM
(06-29-2015, 11:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I have always found it ironic that most that are anti-Capital Punishment are Pro-Choice. I know there has been a lot of back and forth spurred by this since I went to bed, but I'd like to go back and respond here. To me, it's all about the government not getting involved in something it shouldn't. In the case of the death penalty, I don't think the state should decide when to end someone's life. In the case of abortion, it's very similar in my logic. The decision to have an abortion is a difficult one that I can see plenty of merit in both the arguments for, and against. Whatever the decision is there is not a win-win scenario. In that situation I feel the government should not be making that decision and it should be left up to those directly involved, not some suit hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Both scenarios, anti-death penalty and pro-choice, it's about the government not doing something I feel it has no place in.
06-30-2015, 07:42 AM
(06-29-2015, 11:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I have always found it ironic that most that are anti-Capital Punishment are Pro-Choice. How are the two related? One involves preventing the government from killing people while the other involves preventing the government from having control over a woman's body. edit: I guess both involve preventing overstep on the part of the government, so they are related. In which case, shouldn't you expect to see supporters of one support the other?
06-30-2015, 07:45 AM
You can't reverse your mistake when you kill an innocent person. You can, however, reverse your mistake if you sentence them to life in prison.
That's what gets it for me. That and how expensive it is.
06-30-2015, 09:18 AM
(06-30-2015, 07:42 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: How are the two related? One involves preventing the government from killing people while the other involves preventing the government from having control over a woman's body. If you word it like that; the pro-choice wording, then it doesn't seem related. If you look at it from a "One is killing a human and one is killing a human" standpoint, then they're totally related. It doesn't make sense to me that someone is ok with a woman choosing to murder an unborn child, yet is appalled by the idea of the courts murdering a man for a crime that he committed. I can't really get on board with either. I only recently took a firm stance on which side of the fence I stood with abortion. I struggled with saying that I was pro-life due to the denial of the rights of the woman. In the end, I consider it murder, and I don't think that it should be tolerated in a civilized society. I can totally understand the other side's points though....which is something that I can't do on most topics. I also only recently took a firm stance with capital punishment. It was the life-ending aspect of both of them that got me. LFG
06-30-2015, 10:16 AM
(06-30-2015, 02:16 AM)fredtoast Wrote: My first comments in this thread had nothing to do with morality. It was about how the system was flawed. There was no "squealing, pointing to morality, or envolking religion. Just simply pointing out an ironic flaw in logic. It seems the first person to reply to that comment introduced the "bad Christian' route before anyone else brought up morlaity or religion.
06-30-2015, 10:23 AM
(06-30-2015, 07:00 AM)GMDino Wrote: How many homosexuals have you stoned so far? I have stoned zero homosexuals, as it is not my place to judge; Jesus makes that very clear. That does not excuse man from being judged by society. There are those charged with carrying out man's law and as the word states we must take special precaution to get it right and if you bare false witness there will be consequences. I'm sorry the bad Christian slant cannot get more traction in this thread; but both God and man (well most anyway) agree on this principle. |
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